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Keywords: (New website Design), (Stage)

By: HT-Johan 11718558.24 as reply to 11718558.20
To: HT-Tjecken 12.08.2008 10:36
The new design will include a changelog-site besides that MyHT-space, for smaller things? A Bugtracking-site?

I'm not sure that will make it to the first version, but it's in the loop. We have a quite nice overall plan for informational issues, but as it includes a lot of new functionality it will probably not make it to the first version.

Let me add to that we nowadays have a stage server, where all new code is tested live with users before coming to the main site, and in that environment we do have a public bugtracking tool. The stage server is currently invitation-only, but we aim to make it possible for everyone to get a place there (but not everyone at once) ;)

Keywords: (Stage)

By: HT-Johan 11771552.120 as reply to 11771552.119
To: Everyone 26.8.2008 at 17:21
Just a little info that I think will cover most of the questions in this thread - if not, feel free to ask again.

Stage is available on a first come, first serve basis. We want every user to have a chance to get in. But since we have only 5000 places in total, we will be strict in removing users that are not active on Stage, or that report in the wrong language, or leak info, and so on. Stage exists to provide us better bug reports and we may add or remove requirements as we see fit, so that we get the best use out of Stage.

The signup may have been chaotic for some of you, much because there simply are very few slots! Slots are also distributed per league, and between Supporters and non-Supporters. This way, we can test different kinds of features well.

The waiting list only accepts another 5000 users, so even the waiting list can get full. If you can´t get on it now, you may be able to later.

Keywords: (Stage)

By: HT-Johan 11771552.124 as reply to 11771552.123
To: xjuice 26.8.2008 at 17:30
In addition to actually informing this on the Stage Signup page some statistics would be nice, e.g. league specific statistics of number of users in the waiting list.

EDIT: BTW, is the waiting list league specific?

Yes, it is league specified.

Keywords: (Stage)

By: HT-Johan 11771552.130 as reply to 11771552.126
To: murven 26.8.2008 at 17:36
No, there is a quota for every league that is proportionate to the number of users.

Keywords: (Stage)

By: HT-Johan 11771552.132 as reply to 11771552.128
To: xjuice 26.8.2008 at 17:39
Another question: Why is the waiting list restricted to 5000 users? Is it technical reason or did you just happen to make it that way or what?

We decided it was going to be 5000. We dont know how quick users will rotate so having one in reserve for every Stage user seemed about right.

Keywords: (Stage)

By: HT-Johan 11771552.134 as reply to 11771552.125
To: sabbajud 26.8.2008 at 17:40
Frustration, anger and righteous wrath. Controversy, bad planning, malpractice and abuse.

Wow, isn´t it just great then that we can limit all this terribleness to a smaller, willing number of users?

Keywords: (Stage)

By: HT-Johan 11771552.223 as reply to 11771552.168
To: roofman 27.8.2008 at 01:05
will it be possible to log in to hattrick and stage attrick at the same time? Is it possible that the reason i always get timed out at stag-hattrick is because i am busy being logged in here and writing forum posts?

You can do everything from Stage, no need to be logged into two places at the same time.

Keywords: (Stage)

By: HT-Johan 11771552.262 as reply to 11771552.224
To: Julen 27.8.2008 at 13:54
The whole thing has filled up very quickly :-(

Do you plan to open more places in the future for other managers to join in? You might be missing out on good testers that are really willing to give it a good go and dig the bugs out...

The main problem now is too many reports... and the level of quality of those reports. It will take a few days to see where Stage stabilizes, and if we need more testers or perhaps less. The only goal we have with Stage is to get bug reports of an appropriate volume and quality, not to provide maximum satisfaction of curiosity. :)

Keywords: (Stage)

By: HT-Johan 11771552.264 as reply to 11771552.263
To: zincfingers 27.8.2008 at 14:06
I am afraid to say that you were kind of asking for it. Opening Stage to 5000 random hattrick users is very far from ideal if you want high quality spot on bug reports.

We knew this would happen, and it will sort itself out. But we preferred this over trying to manually select 5000 users.

Keywords: (Stage)

By: HT-Aartspam 11771552.285 as reply to 11771552.284
To: Julen 27.8.2008 at 19:17
It's basically my point of view...if i was a brand new user, i would be more worried about navigation and finding my way around than the actual functionality. While now, once that i know the site by heart, i would employ most of the time testing in actually finding the bug rather than in exploring the site...but again, it's my personal view and how i would do it...

New users also try out things which many user would never consider doing and this ways discover bugs which else wouldn't have been found.

Keywords: (Stage)

By: HT-Aartspam 11771552.288 as reply to 11771552.287
To: Julen 27.8.2008 at 20:04
I guess that's down to the person. If you ask me, now that i know how the site works and what i can expect from it each day, i would employ the time when nothing happens in HT in actually trying to find a bug by trying all the possible combinations with all the different functions. i would actively try to make the system crack, more than anything because i would find it exciting to find one bug (i already found one without being a tester!) and it would add something new and exciting to my HT week. But a new manager might only stumble upon a bug by pure coincidence and luck while discovering the site, which is also a valid method, but maybe less efficient.

Users who aren't active as a tester most likely won't be around on Stage for a long time. Keep in mind that we also have the possibility to remove access for those users who don't meet our expectations.

Keywords: (Stage)

By: HT-Aartspam 11771552.290 as reply to 11771552.289
To: Wupper18 27.8.2008 at 20:10
Do you expect that the waiting list will be opened during this season again?

It's open as soon as there are available places on the waiting list or on Stage. So when you check out regularly, you might have a chance to add yourself.