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Talk:Crossing (Winger)

2006-07-09T21:50:20Z

Cocobingo:

''There are at least three different markets for finished wing trainees, and the wing trainer must be aware of all of them''
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What does this mean ? I don't really get it...
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[[User:Cocobingo|cocobingo]] 21:50:20, 2006-07-09 (UTC)

Talk:Team Spirit

2005-12-12T17:48:47Z

Cocobingo: Number of players

Actually this article is obsolete. Why should we need two articles about the same thing.--[[User:LA-Motto|LA-Motto]] 22:25:34, 2005-11-26 (UTC)

moved both Team Spirit pages into one, but needs editing [[User:Dancing rob|Dancing rob]] 11:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

== Number of players ==

I thought that the more player one had in its team, the worse was the effect on the team spirit (appart from the 50 players barrier).
Is that wrong ?
Cocobingo

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2005-11-30T16:08:46Z

Cocobingo:

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User:Cocobingo

2005-11-30T16:02:56Z

Cocobingo:

- Infamous manager of the world-infamous Northern Light FC !

- Playing Hattrick since 07-10-2004.

Talk:Transfers

2005-11-30T15:59:59Z

Cocobingo:

not sure I agree with the numbers in the TS dop table at the bottom at all, as they don't really seem to accurate.

Do other people agree with these stats? (Rob)

I think, in general, these sort of tables of opinions on how the engine works, although useful, should be put in a seperate linked article, and not in the main wiki article.

== TS-Drop statistics ==

They don't look too bad to me.
The 0% is quite strange, because 0% chances is something that almost never happens in the hattrick world !
Maybe we should try to get better statistics (600 transfers are not enough).

Cocobingo.

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With more transfers it would probably come closer to this:

<table width="350" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
<tr>
<td><strong>[[skills#Agreeability|Agreeability]]</strong></td>
<td><div align="right"><strong>Buying</strong></div></td>
<td><div align="right"><strong>Selling</strong></div></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Popular guy</td>
<td><div align="right">0%</div></td>
<td><div align="right">25%</div></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Sympathetic guy</td>
<td><div align="right">0%</div></td>
<td><div align="right">20%</div></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Pleasant guy</td>
<td><div align="right">25%</div></td>
<td><div align="right">15%</div></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Controversial person</td>
<td><div align="right">50%</div></td>
<td><div align="right">0%</div></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Nasty fellow</td>
<td><div align="right">75%</div></td>
<td><div align="right">0%</div></td>
</tr>
</table>

I don't think the 0% is strange cause the message you get when buying a player is something like "Your teamskill dropped cause the new player doesn't fit in your team". It's logical for me that a popular or sympathetic guy always fits in your team. When you sell a player you get a message that your players concern about there future but who is unhappy when a nasty fellow or controversial person leaves your team?

Also I don't agree with the following addition:

''A note about the percentages mentioned above. There are indications that team spirit, like virtually everything else in Hattrick, has fractional steps, and the calm - content - satisfied etc. terms indicate the rounded value. If this is true, then the TS drop always takes place, but will cause visible changes only if the rounded value changed, e.g. from 7.2 to 6.9.''

''There's also one oddity concerning this TS drop: sometimes you get the message under The Club submenu but the visible team spirit indicator under the Training submenu doesn't change, and sometimes vice versa. This could be explained by some sort of rounding error when the game engine chooses to add the message if the above assumption about fractional nature of TS is true.''

I think that a drop is always mentioned on "the club" page and that all other drops of TS has to do with the normal decrease or increase to calm

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"I think that a drop is always mentioned on "the club" page and that all other drops of TS has to do with the normal decrease or increase to calm".

I agree with that.

"It's logical for me that a popular or sympathetic guy always fits in your team. When you sell a player you get a message that your players concern about there future but who is unhappy when a nasty fellow or controversial person leaves your team?"

Yes, I had not considered it that way, you might bu right.

Cocobingo.

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Ok, I'll remove the following:

''A note about the percentages mentioned above. There are indications that team spirit, like virtually everything else in Hattrick, has fractional steps, and the calm - content - satisfied etc. terms indicate the rounded value. If this is true, then the TS drop always takes place, but will cause visible changes only if the rounded value changed, e.g. from 7.2 to 6.9.''

''There's also one oddity concerning this TS drop: sometimes you get the message under The Club submenu but the visible team spirit indicator under the Training submenu doesn't change, and sometimes vice versa. This could be explained by some sort of rounding error when the game engine chooses to add the message if the above assumption about fractional nature of TS is true.''

daKingdom.

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"I think that a drop is always mentioned on "the club" page and that all other drops of TS has to do with the normal decrease or increase to calm"

That doesn't explain team why TS sometimes drops after a transfer and between updates, but with no message in The Club.

I have added the [[Template:Based on research]] template to the TS drop section of the article. Please comment if you like or dislike the idea, I think it provides a clear way of separating fact from opinion. --[[User:Duno7|duno7]] 13:20, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

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This template is a very good idea !
It should be made compulsory for every aspects of the wiki that have never been confirmed by the HTs !
--[[User:Cocobingo|cocobingo]]

Talk:Transfers

2005-11-30T15:58:59Z

Cocobingo:

not sure I agree with the numbers in the TS dop table at the bottom at all, as they don't really seem to accurate.

Do other people agree with these stats? (Rob)

I think, in general, these sort of tables of opinions on how the engine works, although useful, should be put in a seperate linked article, and not in the main wiki article.

== TS-Drop statistics ==

They don't look too bad to me.
The 0% is quite strange, because 0% chances is something that almost never happens in the hattrick world !
Maybe we should try to get better statistics (600 transfers are not enough).

Cocobingo.

----

With more transfers it would probably come closer to this:

<table width="350" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
<tr>
<td><strong>[[skills#Agreeability|Agreeability]]</strong></td>
<td><div align="right"><strong>Buying</strong></div></td>
<td><div align="right"><strong>Selling</strong></div></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Popular guy</td>
<td><div align="right">0%</div></td>
<td><div align="right">25%</div></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Sympathetic guy</td>
<td><div align="right">0%</div></td>
<td><div align="right">20%</div></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Pleasant guy</td>
<td><div align="right">25%</div></td>
<td><div align="right">15%</div></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Controversial person</td>
<td><div align="right">50%</div></td>
<td><div align="right">0%</div></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Nasty fellow</td>
<td><div align="right">75%</div></td>
<td><div align="right">0%</div></td>
</tr>
</table>

I don't think the 0% is strange cause the message you get when buying a player is something like "Your teamskill dropped cause the new player doesn't fit in your team". It's logical for me that a popular or sympathetic guy always fits in your team. When you sell a player you get a message that your players concern about there future but who is unhappy when a nasty fellow or controversial person leaves your team?

Also I don't agree with the following addition:

''A note about the percentages mentioned above. There are indications that team spirit, like virtually everything else in Hattrick, has fractional steps, and the calm - content - satisfied etc. terms indicate the rounded value. If this is true, then the TS drop always takes place, but will cause visible changes only if the rounded value changed, e.g. from 7.2 to 6.9.''

''There's also one oddity concerning this TS drop: sometimes you get the message under The Club submenu but the visible team spirit indicator under the Training submenu doesn't change, and sometimes vice versa. This could be explained by some sort of rounding error when the game engine chooses to add the message if the above assumption about fractional nature of TS is true.''

I think that a drop is always mentioned on "the club" page and that all other drops of TS has to do with the normal decrease or increase to calm

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"I think that a drop is always mentioned on "the club" page and that all other drops of TS has to do with the normal decrease or increase to calm".

I agree with that.

"It's logical for me that a popular or sympathetic guy always fits in your team. When you sell a player you get a message that your players concern about there future but who is unhappy when a nasty fellow or controversial person leaves your team?"

Yes, I had not considered it that way, you might bu right.

Cocobingo.

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Ok, I'll remove the following:

''A note about the percentages mentioned above. There are indications that team spirit, like virtually everything else in Hattrick, has fractional steps, and the calm - content - satisfied etc. terms indicate the rounded value. If this is true, then the TS drop always takes place, but will cause visible changes only if the rounded value changed, e.g. from 7.2 to 6.9.''

''There's also one oddity concerning this TS drop: sometimes you get the message under The Club submenu but the visible team spirit indicator under the Training submenu doesn't change, and sometimes vice versa. This could be explained by some sort of rounding error when the game engine chooses to add the message if the above assumption about fractional nature of TS is true.''

daKingdom.

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"I think that a drop is always mentioned on "the club" page and that all other drops of TS has to do with the normal decrease or increase to calm"

That doesn't explain team why TS sometimes drops after a transfer and between updates, but with no message in The Club.

I have added the [[Template:Based on research]] template to the TS drop section of the article. Please comment if you like or dislike the idea, I think it provides a clear way of separating fact from opinion. --[[User:Duno7|duno7]] 13:20, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

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This tempalte is a very good idea !
It should be made compulsory for every aspects of the wiki that have never been confirmed by the HTs !

Talk:National teams

2005-11-25T19:36:31Z

Cocobingo:

I think we could reasonably add that U-20 teams have a much greater importance in the hattrick world than in real football, because they are a good indicators of the actual wealth of countries.
Historical hattrick countries have not much advantages over young countries.
What do you think ?

Cocobingo.

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Talk:Transfers

2005-11-25T19:18:28Z

Cocobingo: /* TS-Drop statistics */

Talk:Transfers

2005-11-25T19:15:42Z

Cocobingo: /* TS-Drop statistics */

Talk:Transfers

2005-11-25T16:21:34Z

Cocobingo: TS-Drop statistics

Transfers

2005-11-25T14:40:48Z

Cocobingo: /* TS-Drop */

== Selling or Buying [[Players]] ==

=== Selling players ===

In order to sell a player you have to place him on the transfer list. When doing this, you must also choose a category from [[goalkeeper]] to [[forward]],and set an asking price. Note that most people will search by [[skills]] whichever category you select.

You have to declare a starting price for the player. This is the lowest amount for which you're prepared to let him go. He'll be on the transfer list 3 days before going to the club that has offered the most for him. There are various theories regarding the value of starting prices, with some people feeling players should always be listed for 0, whilst others prefer listing for the minimum price they feel is acceptable.

A sold player disappears off to his new club immediately after the bidding is over (although note this may take some time, particularly if the servers are busy). If a buyer isn't found he stays at your [[club]]. If you have placed a player on the transfer list you MAY NOT change your mind! He's there for 3 days, and that's that! Also, keep in mind that all information on the player's [[players|abilities]], [[players|personality]] etc. will be made common knowledge when you place him on the transfer list.

You may select a player for the team even if he is on the transfer list.

After every completed deal, the player's agent, [[mother club]], and [[last club]] will all take their cut of the sale price. The exact amount you will receive depends on how long the player has been with your club. The most you can expect is 93%. It will cost you 1 000 [[currencies|€]] to place a player on the transfer list, even if he isn't sold. Note: If you are selling one of your own [[youth|youth players]] you are not considered the previous owner - but the next time he is sold you will receive previous club money (if he has played a [[match]] for your team) as well as 2% of the sale price for being the mother club. After that you will only receive money for being the mother club whenever the player is sold. The sale of a player after six days from his being pulled from the youth squad may result in a loss of [[team spirit]].

=== Buying players ===

In order to buy a player from another club you have to visit Hattrick's player market, under the [[Transfers]] menu. This is where you'll find out who's for sale. You can only buy players on the transfer list. You can't buy, or exchange, for that matter, players directly from another [[club]]. If you don't see a player that you like in your country's local market - you can search either an individual [[countries|country]] or by one of eight regions, these are all available from the drop-down box on the transfer search page.

When you've found a player you want, click on his name and you'll enter his player page. This is where you may place your offer. You must raise the bid by 1 000 € or 2% more, whichever is greater.

Note that the sum of your bids cannot put you more than 200 000 € into [[debt]].

Bids must be raised by 1 000 €! You may bid on a player right up until the deadline. If someone places an offer less than 3 minutes before the deadline, the deadline will be extended for another 3 minutes. This continues until only one bidder remains and no other bidders raise the stakes before the stated deadline time. A sale is confirmed when the words "Bidding is finished" appear beneath the selling price. Also, when you win a bid, if the new player does not get along with his teammates, you may see team spirit decrease.

Keep in mind that the [[server]] might be down just as the deadline is running out. You'll be taking a chance by waiting until the last minute before making your move. If the [[server]] is down, you're to blame for not acting earlier.

A great help when buying players is the information concerning his abilities, personality etc. You may also want to consider a player's [[TSI]], or [[Total Skill Index]]. However, the current market value of a player may differ greatly from what his TSI might lead you to expect as, above all, it's his top ability (or abilities) that is most relevant - a player being "[[skills#Player_abilities_etc|world class]]" at something and "[[skills#Player_abilities_etc|weak]]" in all other abilities will fetch a higher market price than one who is [[skills#Player_abilities_etc|solid]] at everything. Remember that even if current [[form]] doesn't have a lot of impact on the market value, it will matter for his next couple of games. An expensive player won't necessarily be the saviour you need to get your team out of a tight spot. If you wish, you can use the [[Transfer Compare]] button in order to see what a similar player has recently been sold for on the market.

=== Fair Play in the Transfer Market ===

Good players and money are key aspects in Hattrick, which makes it very important that no teams benefit from abnormal activities on the transfer market. This means that all bids should be in relevance to what could be considered reasonable for the player in question. Remember, it's not only prohibited to have several teams but also to "help" friends or family by buying players at inflated prices. The [[Game Masters]] are fully authorized to cancel or adjust abnormal prices, hand out fines to teams or even ban the users involved.

== TS-Drop ==
Whenever you buy or sell a player there are chances for your [[team spirit]] to drop. This drop can be visible or invisible but when it happens there is always a message on [[The_Club_page|"The Club" page]].

The [[PFO]] (AllianceID: 23565) examined the chances of getting a TS-drop with an input of over 650 transfers. It appears that only the [[agreeability]] of a player has influence on getting a TS-drop or not. The research gave us the following data:

'''Chance on a TS-drop'''

<table width="350" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
<tr>
<td><strong>[[skills#Agreeability|Agreeability]]</strong></td>
<td><div align="right"><strong>Buying</strong></div></td>
<td><div align="right"><strong>Selling</strong></div></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Popular guy</td>
<td><div align="right">0%</div></td>
<td><div align="right">26%</div></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Sympathetic guy</td>
<td><div align="right">0%</div></td>
<td><div align="right">18%</div></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Pleasant guy</td>
<td><div align="right">25%</div></td>
<td><div align="right">15%</div></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Controversial person</td>
<td><div align="right">55%</div></td>
<td><div align="right">0%</div></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Nasty fellow</td>
<td><div align="right">79%</div></td>
<td><div align="right">0%</div></td>
</tr>
</table>

In total, you have the lowest chance on getting a TS-drop when you buy and sell only sympathetic guys.

A note about the percentages mentioned above. There are indications that team spirit, like virtually everything else in Hattrick, has fractional steps, and the calm - content - satisfied etc. terms indicate the rounded value. If this is true, then the TS drop always takes place, but will cause visible changes only if the rounded value changed, e.g. from 7.2 to 6.9.

There's also one oddity concerning this TS drop: sometimes you get the message under The Club submenu but the visible team spirit indicator under the Training submenu doesn't change, and sometimes vice versa. This could be explained by some sort of rounding error when the game engine chooses to add the message if the above assumption about fractional nature of TS is true.