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	And above all, don't neglect Set Pieces!		And above all, don't neglect Set Pieces!
	First of all, make sure you have a [[goalkeeper]] with high CP skills; one opponent's players pass your grim defence, the goalkeeper will take care of them on [[Set_Pieces#Types_of_Set_Pieces\|free kicks]] or [[Penalty kick\|penalties]], the downfall of many a CAs.		First of all, make sure you have a [[goalkeeper]] with high SP skills; one opponent's players pass your grim defence, the goalkeeper will take care of them on [[Set_Pieces#Types_of_Set_Pieces\|free kicks]] or [[Penalty kick\|penalties]], the downfall of many a CAs.
	Besides, counter-attacks end sometimes with a free kick or a penalty too, so remember to field a good shooter.		Besides, counter-attacks end sometimes with a free kick or a penalty too, so remember to field a good shooter.

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	A successful CA requires a rock-solid defence, and then enough offense to score on the few tactic created opportunities. These extra opportunities are added to [[regular chances]] - on the contrary, the other defensive tactic, [[pressing]], is mostly used to destroy match chances.		A successful CA requires a rock-solid defence, and then enough offense to score on the few tactic created opportunities. These extra opportunities are added to [[regular chances]] - on the contrary, the other defensive tactic, [[pressing]], is mostly used to destroy match chances.


	{{textreport\|width=0\|text='''Non-tactical counter-attacks'''<br>		{{textreport\|width=0\|text='''Non-tactical counter-attacks'''<br>
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	The [[match engine]] constantly checks ball [[possession]] during the game as it may change due to [[stamina]], red [[cards]], [[injury\|injuries]] or [[substitutions]].		The [[match engine]] constantly checks ball [[possession]] during the game as it may change due to [[stamina]], red [[cards]], [[injury\|injuries]] or [[substitutions]].

	; Midfield ratings: ~~you~~ are supposed to lose the little possession needed to create counter-attacks. Keeping a possession rate that is enough to get regular chance in addition (remember that every chance for your team is a chance stolen from opponent's). '''The ball possession of the CA team should be between 45% and 35%'''.		; Midfield ratings: You are supposed to lose the little possession needed to create counter-attacks. Keeping a possession rate that is enough to get regular chance in addition (remember that every chance for your team is a chance stolen from opponent's). '''The ball possession of the CA team should be between 45% and 35%'''.

	; Defence ratings: You need a much stronger defence than your opponent's attacks. In all sectors '''defensive evaluations need to be at least 20% higher than the opponent's offense'''. The counter-attacker dream situation is to face a team with a stronger midfield and anything but impressive attacks.		; Defence ratings: You need a much stronger defence than your opponent's attacks. In all sectors '''defensive evaluations need to be at least 20% higher than the opponent's offense'''. The counter-attacker dream situation is to face a team with a stronger midfield and anything but impressive attacks.

	; Attack ratings: a strong offense is at least as important as the defence. The tactic is wasted if you do not try to score the few counter-attacks made available. It is recommended that '''the central attack and one lateral attack should be at least as strong as the corresponding central and lateral defences of the opponent'''. In other words, the opponent's defence must not stand above more than one sector of attack and never the central one.		; Attack ratings: A strong offense is at least as important as the defence. The tactic is wasted if you do not try to score the few counter-attacks made available. It is recommended that '''the central attack and one lateral attack should be at least as strong as the corresponding central and lateral defences of the opponent'''. In other words, the opponent's defence must not stand above more than one sector of attack and never the central one.


	=== Tactical level ===		=== Tactical level ===
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	\|<blockquote>~~<code style~~=~~"font-size:initial;color:#277f31">~~1.042313 + { 0.017272 * ∑ [ Form ( 2 * PS + DE ) ] } ~~</code>~~<br>		\|<blockquote>{{Hu/Formula\|formula=1.042313 + { 0.017272 * ∑ [ Form ( 2 * PS + DE ) ] }}<br>
	<small>∑ is the same operation repeated and summed for each player positioned as defender<br>PS is defender's passing skill<br>DE is defender's defending skill</small></blockquote>		<small>∑ is the same operation repeated and summed for each player positioned as defender<br>PS is defender's passing skill<br>DE is defender's defending skill</small></blockquote>
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	; Formula for Probability of the counter-attack (P<sub>CA</sub>) =		; Formula for Probability of the counter-attack (P<sub>CA</sub>) =
	~~<code style~~ = ~~"font-size: initial; color: # 277f31">~~ 100 * (10.8 * Tactical level CA / RATING CA + RATING Opponent) ~~</code>~~ <br>		{{Hu/Formula\|formula=100 * (10.8 * Tactical level CA / RATING CA + RATING Opponent)}} <br>
	<small> RATING (of CA team and Opponent) is the sum of the ratings of the two teams without multiplying midfield by 3</small></blockquote>		<small> RATING (of CA team and Opponent) is the sum of the ratings of the two teams without multiplying midfield by 3</small></blockquote>

	The higher the tactical level, the more likely you are to have extra special-event-like chances in addition to regular ones.		The higher the tactical level, the more likely you are to have extra special-event-like chances in addition to regular ones.


	=== Benefits and drawbacks ===		=== Benefits and drawbacks ===
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	The tactic of CA is very risky: try to win the conventional way if you can beat opponent's midfield. In addition, CA should be a surprise weapon: building a specialized team makes your team very predictable and, with low average Playmaking, deprived of any tactical alternative.		The tactic of CA is very risky: try to win the conventional way if you can beat opponent's midfield. In addition, CA should be a surprise weapon: building a specialized team makes your team very predictable and, with low average Playmaking, deprived of any tactical alternative.


	=== Counters ===		=== Counters ===
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	The real weapon against a CA team is the evergreen [[set pieces]]: it does not always work, but your shooter is the only one you can count on to overcome the opponent's strong defence.		The real weapon against a CA team is the evergreen [[set pieces]]: it does not always work, but your shooter is the only one you can count on to overcome the opponent's strong defence.


	== Players ==		== Players ==
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	Alternative options: to be less predictable with your CA, you should make the most of your players Passing playing Attack in the middle and Attack on the wing tactics.		Alternative options: to be less predictable with your CA, you should make the most of your players Passing playing Attack in the middle and Attack on the wing tactics.


	=== Specialty ===		=== Specialty ===
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	The "classics" are: "Powerful" (''weather event'' in case of rain with a +5% bonus to skills and to tactical level; ''powerful normal forwards'' for the special event "rebound" after a missed chance; moreover the ''powerful defensive midfielder'' event to break opponent's attacks).		The "classics" are: "Powerful" (''weather event'' in case of rain with a +5% bonus to skills and to tactical level; ''powerful normal forwards'' for the special event "rebound" after a missed chance; moreover the ''powerful defensive midfielder'' event to break opponent's attacks).
	~~The best specialty for wingers is "Quick" (to get the ''Quick'' pass and score events).~~

	~~In any case~~, it is ~~better to always play~~ with ~~at least five headers~~ to ~~take advantage~~ of ~~the event that occurs most often~~.		The best specialty for Winger, Inner Midfielder and Forward is "Quick". Not only Wingers can get the ''Quick'' pass and score events, but them and IM and FW with quick will give a small boost on the CA tactical level. The effect is not linear (range from 0 and goes up to 2.8) because your opponent might reduce or nullify this boost depending on the number of quick players he has selected as Wing Backs, Inner Midfielders and Defenders.

			In any case, it is better to always play with Headers to take advantage of the event that occurs most often.

	=== Lineup ===		=== Lineup ===
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	Concentrating your offense on one side of the pitch can also pay off quite nicely sometimes; it lays some pressure on one side of your opponent’s defence (pick the weaker one) while leaving the other with nothing much to do.		Concentrating your offense on one side of the pitch can also pay off quite nicely sometimes; it lays some pressure on one side of your opponent’s defence (pick the weaker one) while leaving the other with nothing much to do.


	==== Extreme Counter-attacks ====		==== Extreme Counter-attacks ====
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	\| {{based on opinion}}		\| <small>{{based on opinion}}</small>
	\| rowspan=2 align=center \| '''5-2-3 Extreme Counter-attacks'''<br>{{lineup		\| rowspan=2 align=center \| '''5-2-3 Extreme Counter-attacks'''<br>{{lineup
	\| GK = {{specialty\|u\|hideName=true}} Unpredictable		\| GK = {{specialty\|u\|hideName=true}} Unpredictable
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	\|Extreme Counter-Attack (CAEX) is a strategy that completely gives up possession and focuses only on both defence and attack.		\|Extreme Counter-Attack (CAEX) is a strategy that completely gives up possession and focuses only on both defence and attack.
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	The formation used is the 5-2-3 with two Quick offensive wingers.		The formation used is the 5-2-3 with two Quick offensive wingers.

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	CAEX is also called "All-Out CA" (as opposed to the All-Out Attack strategy) or "Gung-ho CA" (from an American phrase derived from the Chinese language with the meaning of energetic and therefore extreme).		CAEX is also called "All-Out CA" (as opposed to the All-Out Attack strategy) or "Gung-ho CA" (from an American phrase derived from the Chinese language with the meaning of energetic and therefore extreme).
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	=== Training ===		=== Training ===
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	Start training is economically not demanding, requirements aren’t very high. Players are easy to find, but training is slow. So be patient.		Start training is economically not demanding, requirements aren’t very high. Players are easy to find, but training is slow. So be patient.


	== See also ==		== See also ==

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	'''Midfield ratings'''<br>		'''Midfield ratings'''<br>
	Counter-attack is risky, so try to win the conventional way if you can beat opponent's midfield. It is recommended that you lose only the little possession you need to create counter-attacks. '''The most counter-attacks you can get in a match is 5''' so you need a you must have possession to count on normal chance in addition ~~too~~. '''Midfield rating suggested is 45%-35%'''.		Counter-attack is risky, so try to win the conventional way if you can beat opponent's midfield. It is recommended that you lose only the little possession you need to create counter-attacks. '''The most counter-attacks you can get in a match is 5''' so you need a you must have possession to count on normal chance and Special Events in addition. '''Midfield rating suggested is 45%-35%'''.

	'''Defense ratings'''<br>		'''Defense ratings'''<br>
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	CA requires '''good [[Defender]]s and [[Forward]]s ''' to work successfully. The bright side is that you don't need winning the midfield ratings.		CA requires '''good [[Defender]]s and [[Forward]]s ''' to work successfully. The bright side is that you don't need winning the midfield ratings.

	Don't neglect Set Pieces ~~and Special Events. They~~ have been the downfall of many a CA.		Don't neglect Set Pieces, they have been the downfall of many a CA.

	The '''Passing skill on Defenders counts double in CA level''' calculation.		The '''Passing skill on Defenders counts double in CA level''' calculation.

	'''Simplified ~~CA level~~ formula:'''<br>		'''Simplified formula for CA_LEVEL ='''<br>
	<blockquote><code style="font-size:initial;color:#277f31">(2 * SUM_PS + SUM_DE) / 10</code>		<blockquote><code style="font-size:initial;color:#277f31">(2 * SUM_PS + SUM_DE) / 10</code>
	<small>SUM_PS is the sum of Defenders' Passing skill		<small>SUM_PS is the sum of Defenders' Passing skill
	SUM_DE is the sum of Defenders' Defense skill</small></blockquote>		SUM_DE is the sum of Defenders' Defense skill</small></blockquote>

	'''Complete ~~CA level~~ formula:'''<br>		'''Complete formula for CA_LEVEL ='''<br>
	<blockquote><code style="font-size:initial;color:#277f31">0,017272 * ∑ [Form ( 2 * PS + DE )] ~~+ 1,042313~~</code>		<blockquote><code style="font-size:initial;color:#277f31">1,042313 + { 0,017272 * ∑ [ Form ( 2 * PS + DE ) ] } </code><br>
	<small>∑ is the same operation repeated for each player set as defender<br>PS is defender passing skill<br>DE is defender defending skill</small></blockquote>		<small>∑ is the same operation repeated and summed for each player set as defender<br>PS is defender passing skill<br>DE is defender defending skill</small></blockquote>

	'''CA conversion rate ~~formula:~~'''<br>		'''Formula for CA conversion rate ='''<br>
	<blockquote><code style="font-size:initial;color:#277f31">10.8 * ca / ra</code>		<blockquote><code style="font-size:initial;color:#277f31">10.8 * CA_LEVEL / SUM_RATING</code><br>
	<small>~~ca is CA tactic skill~~		<small>SUM_RATING is the sum of the ratings of the two teams, without multiplying midfield by 3</small></blockquote>
	ra is the sum of the ratings of the 2 teams, without multiplying midfield by 3</small></blockquote>

	=== Specialty ===		===Specialty===
	Specialty ~~players and point- kickers play an~~ important ~~role~~ in getting the maximum out of tactics.		Players with [[Specialty]] (along with Set Pieces) are very important in getting the maximum out of tactics.

	===Lineup ===		===Lineup===
	With a maximum of 5 defenders against only 3 opponent's forwards, beating the other side’s attack ratings should be feasible, especially if you’ve got a defensive coach.		With a maximum of 5 defenders ([[5-3-2]], [[5-2-3]]),against only 3 opponent's forwards, beating the other side’s attack ratings should be feasible, especially if you’ve got a defensive coach. Lineups with 4 defenders are still a good idea, neglecting a bit of defense to focus on attack with [[4-3-3]], or on midfield with [[4-4-2]] (the last one only against a very weak opponent's defence).
	~~5-3-2, 5-2-3~~, 4-3-3, 4-4-2.
	~~{{based on opinion}}~~
	~~Extreme counterattack: These tactics do not care about possession and~~ only ~~focus on defense and attack. The idea behind it is that we provide such protection that only 1 or 2 of the 9 passes get through, and we have~~ a ~~high percentage of counter-attacks, point-kick situations and special events. The line used for this is eg. with 5-2-3, Offensive (Quick~~) ~~Extremes and Fast Forwards~~.

	Concentrating your offense on one side of the pitch can also pay off quite nicely because it lays some pressure on one side of your opponent’s defense (pick the weaker one) while leaving the other with nothing much to do.		Concentrating your offense on one side of the pitch can also pay off quite nicely because it lays some pressure on one side of your opponent’s defense (pick the weaker one) while leaving the other with nothing much to do.
			{{based on opinion}}'''CAEX - Extreme counterattack'''
			The line used for this is 5-2-3, with two Offensive and Quick Wingers. These tactics do not care about possession and only focus on defense and attack. The idea behind it is that we provide such protection that only 1 or 2 of the 9 passes get through, and we have a high percentage of counter-attacks, point-kick situations and special events.

	=== Training ===		=== Training ===
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	[[Category:Tactics]]		[[Category:Tactics]]


	~~Counter-attack (CA) ability is modified by the players [[form]] and [[experience]] and the result is a CA skill which appears to be completely linear.~~

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			{{Interwiki/Counter-attacks}}

	==Counter attack tactic==		==Counter attack tactic==

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	===Number of CAs in a match===		===Number of CAs in a match===
	How many CA's can you get in a single match? ~~As with so many other things this is a secret HT keeps~~ to themselves. Before random CAs were implemented 3 CAs was the highest recorded number and that was a fairly frequent number. It was then believed that 3 was a maximum number. After random CAs were implemented a few matches with 4 CAs have been recorded. It seems likely that they are caused by the team getting both normal and random CAs, but there is so far no way of knowing for sure.		How many CA's can you get in a single match? Zero to 5 Counterattacks

	=== CA Federations ===		=== CA Federations ===

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	===Rules of Thumb===		===Rules of Thumb===

	~~Rules~~ of thumb ~~from the oceania forum from an experienced~~ CA ~~manager~~		4 General rules of thumb for minimum requirements of a CA

	1) ~~Do not lost possession by less~~ than ~~40%~~		1) Defence at least 20% higher than opponents attack in all sectors.

	2) ~~Defence~~ at least ~~two levels high than their attack (should give around an 80% chance~~ of ~~stopping an attack, although the higher the better obviously)~~		2) Attack equal to their defence, at least in 2 sectors, one of which is central

	3) ~~Attack equal~~ to ~~their defence (to give a better than 50% chance of converting)~~		3) Possession as high as possible, while still losing. 40%-ish is good. Also, dont forget you need to lose MF before any penalties!

	4) A CA skill rating of the same level as the average primary skill within their ~~team~~.		4) A CA tactic skill rating of the same level as the average primary skill within both your and their teams players

			A 5th rule could be added - Dont neglect SP's and SE's! They have been the downfall of many a CA.

			Thses rules should be seen as the minimum levels. Should you miss any one of these, then you could get beated by a large amount.

			However, not making one of these, can be counteracted by improving in others. So for example, if your attack isnt so good, you could have a higher tactic rating and/or more defence as a substitute.

	== External links ==		== External links ==

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 === CA Federations ===
 There is also a Counter-Attackers Federation. This [[federation]] contains over 200 members and was founded by Turbopippip in 2004.  This is the federation to go to if you have any questions about CA.
 == External links ==

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