HTs on Global/Spectators - Revision history

EchoMan at 12:16, 14 July 2008

2008-07-14T12:16:43Z

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	''why is this the first time this happens?''		''why is this the first time this happens?''
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	It isn't. It's just the first time enough people have read the HT 6.6 document, remembered only 10% of it ("it was something about them changing things related to supporter mood"), seeing a low crowd size and jumping to conclusions in the conference.		It isn't. It's just the first time enough people have read the HT 6.6 document, remembered only 10% of it ("it was something about them changing things related to supporter mood"), seeing a low crowd size and jumping to conclusions in the conference.
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	''there still is the matter of users who have just upgraded, and now found out that there is much less chance that they will get their stadium filled.''		''there still is the matter of users who have just upgraded, and now found out that there is much less chance that they will get their stadium filled.''
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	There isn't less chance. There have been no general worsening of spectator outcome. The one change, to the supporter mood, is neither worse nor better than the old one.		There isn't less chance. There have been no general worsening of spectator outcome. The one change, to the supporter mood, is neither worse nor better than the old one.
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	''We weren't warned on advance about this.''		''We weren't warned on advance about this.''
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	But there isn't any "this"! :)		But there isn't any "this"! :)
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	''thx for the infos, but I'm missing one factor: randomness. or isn't there any kind of random within this calculation?''		''thx for the infos, but I'm missing one factor: randomness. or isn't there any kind of random within this calculation?''
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	Somewhat surprisingly: No, random is not part of these formulas (except indirectly that weather is a function of random).		Somewhat surprisingly: No, random is not part of these formulas (except indirectly that weather is a function of random).
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	More people in the Middle Ages were convinced that the Earth was flat than there is today. That doesn't mean there was any actual unflattening of the physical Earth by the time of Copernicus.		More people in the Middle Ages were convinced that the Earth was flat than there is today. That doesn't mean there was any actual unflattening of the physical Earth by the time of Copernicus.
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	This guy wondered why he got so low attendence after a 7-0 loss.		This guy wondered why he got so low attendence after a 7-0 loss.
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	parameters. If one of them gives a very extreme input it is bound to have a big		parameters. If one of them gives a very extreme input it is bound to have a big
	influence on the output.		influence on the output.

	Secondly, unlike IRL there are no "my" and "his" in this context. The parameters do		Secondly, unlike IRL there are no "my" and "his" in this context. The parameters do
	not calculate two separate crowd numbers independently which are added together.		not calculate two separate crowd numbers independently which are added together.
	They calculate one single crowd.		They calculate one single crowd.
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	''Yeah! You clearly forgot the square root! Everyone knows the HT's love square roots!!''		''Yeah! You clearly forgot the square root! Everyone knows the HT's love square roots!!''
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	LOL		LOL
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	\| from = HT-Hasse		\| from = HT-Hasse
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	''Don’t you think it might be wise to consider a limit''		''Don’t you think it might be wise to consider a limit''
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	We don't like limits in any parameters.		We don't like limits in any parameters.
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	''Hi, I've got one doubt I can't remember, did derbies in the past report more people to the stadium than matches between teams of two different regions? Thanks ;)''		''Hi, I've got one doubt I can't remember, did derbies in the past report more people to the stadium than matches between teams of two different regions? Thanks ;)''
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	No. That has never been the case.		No. That has never been the case.
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			\| from = [[HT-Tjecken]]
			\| to = Everyone
			\| msgid = 7831771.92
			\| prevmsgid = 7831771.1
			\| datetime = 13.06.2007 at 18:59
			\| keywords = (Spectators), (Budget)
			\| text = Reply to (8995830.43)
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			''Personally I think the amounts of spectators varies to much to anticipate at with your team’s budget, when you’re teams expenses for the biggest part consists out of salaries, you're not able to cope with it easily. How do you think about making the amount of spectators less variable?''
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			I will definately not rule out such a change. The attendence figures is of course important when looking over the economy, so there might be some changes perhaps. That said variables is a must, and it should also reflect how good you're doing in your series. I guess there will always be people who think the attendence figures varie too much, and of course I can understand them too. Who likes a poor spectator figure after all?

			After all things even out in the end, sometimes you get way more than you should get (and vice versa). Still, one could even out things more from the beginning - we'll think about it.
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Mod-Karlthegreat: HTs on Global/Crowd formula moved to HTs on Global/Spectators

2007-12-30T20:43:57Z

HTs on Global/Crowd formula moved to HTs on Global/Spectators

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Mod-Karlthegreat: HT's on Global/Crowd formula moved to HTs on Global/Crowd formula

2007-12-29T23:14:09Z

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Mod-Karlthegreat at 22:58, 29 December 2007

2007-12-29T22:58:13Z

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	Some people were complaining about low attendences at their matches and suggested the crowd formula was changed.		Some people were complaining about low attendences at their matches and suggested the crowd formula was changed.

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	No. That has never been the case.		No. That has never been the case.
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Catalyst2950: Added quote about attendance in derbies

2006-01-06T23:50:51Z

Added quote about attendance in derbies

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	We don't like limits in any parameters.		We don't like limits in any parameters.
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			\| from = HT-Hasse
			\| to = gonzalviyo
			\| msgid = 4818792.15
			\| prevmsgid = 4818792.1
			\| datetime = 7-1-2006 at 00:46
			\| keywords = (attendance), (derby)
			\| text =
			''Hi, I've got one doubt I can't remember, did derbies in the past report more people to the stadium than matches between teams of two different regions? Thanks ;)''


			No. That has never been the case.
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Boucoudabou: Alphabet

2005-11-29T16:47:34Z

Alphabet

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	Some people were complaining about low attendences at their matches and suggested the crowd formula was changed.		Some people were complaining about low attendences at their matches and suggested the crowd formula was changed.

Ukelele at 16:39, 27 November 2005

2005-11-27T16:39:00Z

New page

[[Category:HT's on Global]]

Some people were complaining about low attendences at their matches and suggested the crowd formula was changed.

{{forum_message|
| from = HT-Bjorn
| to = unknown
| msgid = 1484496.132
| prevmsgid = 1484496.1
| datetime = 11-7-2004 at 20.36
| keywords = crowd formula, crowd size
| text =
A few clarifications:
-We have not changed the crowd formula. I repeat: Not changed. It is the exact same formula as it has been for as long as I can remember. Given a certain level of supporter mood before the match, it will be the same results as last seasons (assuming all other circumstances identical).

-I am convinced that there is no bug in the crowd formula. Bugs don't appear out of thin air - someone must have changed something for them to appear, and we have not changed anything.

-We did change, in HT 6.6, the formula for how fans are affected after the match by certain results. The new formula gives on average the same level of effect as previously - it is NOT generally more harsh. It is tilted to reward small wins and punish small losses, compared to the old formula which was more benign to small losses if there were loads of goals, and more harsh against small wins if there were few goals. These changes are described in the HT 6.6 document.

-The crowd size (for league matches) is a function of:

*What match round (the later in the season, the more important matches, according to the minds of the inhabitants of the HT universe).
*The difference of league position between the teams (importance)
*The league position of the home team
*The size of the fanclubs
*The supporter moods
*The weather
}}

Still some people were convinced something had changed.
{{forum_message|
| from = HT-Bjorn
| to = dnbrt
| msgid = 1484496.153
| prevmsgid = 1484496.142
| datetime = 11-7-2004 at 21.01
| keywords = crowd formula, crowd size
| text =
''why is this the first time this happens?''

It isn't. It's just the first time enough people have read the HT 6.6 document, remembered only 10% of it ("it was something about them changing things related to supporter mood"), seeing a low crowd size and jumping to conclusions in the conference.

''there still is the matter of users who have just upgraded, and now found out that there is much less chance that they will get their stadium filled.''

There isn't less chance. There have been no general worsening of spectator outcome. The one change, to the supporter mood, is neither worse nor better than the old one.

''We weren't warned on advance about this.''

But there isn't any "this"! :)
}}

{{forum_message|
| from = HT-Bjorn
| to = worcaholic
| msgid = 1484496.157
| prevmsgid = 1484496.144
| datetime = 11-7-2004 at 21.03
| keywords = crowd formula, crowd size
| text =
''thx for the infos, but I'm missing one factor: randomness. or isn't there any kind of random within this calculation?''

Somewhat surprisingly: No, random is not part of these formulas (except indirectly that weather is a function of random).
}}

{{forum_message|
| from = HT-Bjorn
| to = cube_
| msgid = 1484496.159
| prevmsgid = 1484496.149
| datetime = 11-7-2004 at 21.06
| keywords = crowd formula, crowd size
| text =
It's pretty hilarious as in every country there are so much threads about it TODAY and there wasn't week, two weeks or couple of weeks ago !

More people in the Middle Ages were convinced that the Earth was flat than there is today. That doesn't mean there was any actual unflattening of the physical Earth by the time of Copernicus.
}}

This guy wondered why he got so low attendence after a 7-0 loss.
{{forum_message|
| from = HT-Hasse
| to = bannock
| msgid = 1484496.185
| prevmsgid = 1484496.178
| datetime = 11-7-2004 at 21.56
| keywords = crowd formula, crowd size
| text =
First of all you have to realize that 7-0 is not only a big loss - it is a disaster.
And the system has open ends - there is not maximun or minimum output of any of the
parameters. If one of them gives a very extreme input it is bound to have a big
influence on the output.
Secondly, unlike IRL there are no "my" and "his" in this context. The parameters do
not calculate two separate crowd numbers independently which are added together.
They calculate one single crowd.
}}

{{forum_message|
| from = HT-Bjorn
| to = MountainHawk
| msgid = 1484496.208
| prevmsgid = 1484496.207
| datetime = 12-7-2004 at 00:01
| keywords = crowd formula, crowd size
| text =
''Yeah! You clearly forgot the square root! Everyone knows the HT's love square roots!!''

LOL
}}

{{forum_message|
| from = HT-Hasse
| to = Bayernstark
| msgid = 1484496.250
| prevmsgid = 1484496.244
| datetime = 12-7-2004 at 13:09
| keywords = crowd formula, crowd size
| text =
''Don’t you think it might be wise to consider a limit''

We don't like limits in any parameters.
}}