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Pelotas: /* MNK Lisice players */

2014-11-14T08:49:21Z

MNK Lisice players

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	******* FYI: I've been discussing with [[User_talk:Nightwish\|Nightwish]] at her [[User_talk:Nightwish#Player_name_policy\|talkpage]]. Feel free to join. --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 11:38, 10 November 2014 (CET)		******* FYI: I've been discussing with [[User_talk:Nightwish\|Nightwish]] at her [[User_talk:Nightwish#Player_name_policy\|talkpage]]. Feel free to join. --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 11:38, 10 November 2014 (CET)

			******** Dear Bilke5, I'm disappointed by your last comment and I don't understand it. This policy will HELP you. Did you actually read it? If this is accepted, all articles will be named by the player name only. The team name will just disappear completely and thus everything we have discussed before will be irrelevant. There would be no more redirects! --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 09:49, 14 November 2014 (CET)

Pelotas: some info

2014-11-10T10:38:30Z

some info

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	****** There's no mess here... NOW. Your pages are all perfectly in order, content wise. And your ''system'' indeed makes sense to the same extent that the official one does. But what if everyone starts creating their own system ??? By the way, maybe I am an autist, I'll have that checked for you, but now you have both threatened and insulted me. Just a reminder of the HT '''Rules''' (i.e. NOT guidelines): ''It is strictly prohibited for you, as a Hattrick player, to engage in any of the activities described below. Sending '''threatening''', '''insulting''' or derogatory messages, by HT-mail or other means, to other players or on Hattrick's forums.'' and '''Anyone breaking these rules may be disqualified from Hattrick with immediate effect''' --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 22:43, 9 November 2014 (CET)		****** There's no mess here... NOW. Your pages are all perfectly in order, content wise. And your ''system'' indeed makes sense to the same extent that the official one does. But what if everyone starts creating their own system ??? By the way, maybe I am an autist, I'll have that checked for you, but now you have both threatened and insulted me. Just a reminder of the HT '''Rules''' (i.e. NOT guidelines): ''It is strictly prohibited for you, as a Hattrick player, to engage in any of the activities described below. Sending '''threatening''', '''insulting''' or derogatory messages, by HT-mail or other means, to other players or on Hattrick's forums.'' and '''Anyone breaking these rules may be disqualified from Hattrick with immediate effect''' --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 22:43, 9 November 2014 (CET)

			******* FYI: I've been discussing with [[User_talk:Nightwish\|Nightwish]] at her [[User_talk:Nightwish#Player_name_policy\|talkpage]]. Feel free to join. --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 11:38, 10 November 2014 (CET)

Pelotas: /* MNK Lisice players */

2014-11-09T21:45:53Z

MNK Lisice players

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	Bye now.		Bye now.
	****** There's no mess here... NOW. Your pages are all perfectly in order, content wise. And your ''system'' indeed makes sense to the same extent that the official one does. But what if everyone starts creating their own system ??? By the way, maybe I am an autist, but now you have both threatened and insulted me. Just a reminder of the HT '''Rules''' (i.e. NOT guidelines): ''It is strictly prohibited for you, as a Hattrick player, to engage in any of the activities described below. Sending '''threatening''', '''insulting''' or derogatory messages, by HT-mail or other means, to other players or on Hattrick's forums.'' and '''Anyone breaking these rules may be disqualified from Hattrick with immediate effect''' --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 22:43, 9 November 2014 (CET)		****** There's no mess here... NOW. Your pages are all perfectly in order, content wise. And your ''system'' indeed makes sense to the same extent that the official one does. But what if everyone starts creating their own system ??? By the way, maybe I am an autist, I'll have that checked for you, but now you have both threatened and insulted me. Just a reminder of the HT '''Rules''' (i.e. NOT guidelines): ''It is strictly prohibited for you, as a Hattrick player, to engage in any of the activities described below. Sending '''threatening''', '''insulting''' or derogatory messages, by HT-mail or other means, to other players or on Hattrick's forums.'' and '''Anyone breaking these rules may be disqualified from Hattrick with immediate effect''' --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 22:43, 9 November 2014 (CET)

Pelotas: /* MNK Lisice players */

2014-11-09T21:44:48Z

MNK Lisice players

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	Bye now.		Bye now.
	****** There's no mess here... NOW. Your pages are all perfectly in order, content wise. And your ''system'' indeed makes sense to the same extent that the official one does. But what if everyone starts creating their own system ??? By the way, maybe I am an autist, but now you ~~heva~~ threatened and insulted me. Just a reminder: ''It is strictly prohibited for you, as a Hattrick player, to engage in any of the activities described below. Sending '''threatening''', '''insulting''' or derogatory messages, by HT-mail or other means, to other players or on Hattrick's forums.'' --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 22:43, 9 November 2014 (CET)		****** There's no mess here... NOW. Your pages are all perfectly in order, content wise. And your ''system'' indeed makes sense to the same extent that the official one does. But what if everyone starts creating their own system ??? By the way, maybe I am an autist, but now you have both threatened and insulted me. Just a reminder of the HT '''Rules''' (i.e. NOT guidelines): ''It is strictly prohibited for you, as a Hattrick player, to engage in any of the activities described below. Sending '''threatening''', '''insulting''' or derogatory messages, by HT-mail or other means, to other players or on Hattrick's forums.'' and '''Anyone breaking these rules may be disqualified from Hattrick with immediate effect''' --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 22:43, 9 November 2014 (CET)

Pelotas: /* MNK Lisice players */

2014-11-09T21:43:14Z

MNK Lisice players

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	Bye now.		Bye now.
			****** There's no mess here... NOW. Your pages are all perfectly in order, content wise. And your ''system'' indeed makes sense to the same extent that the official one does. But what if everyone starts creating their own system ??? By the way, maybe I am an autist, but now you heva threatened and insulted me. Just a reminder: ''It is strictly prohibited for you, as a Hattrick player, to engage in any of the activities described below. Sending '''threatening''', '''insulting''' or derogatory messages, by HT-mail or other means, to other players or on Hattrick's forums.'' --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 22:43, 9 November 2014 (CET)

Bilke5 at 21:29, 9 November 2014

2014-11-09T21:29:55Z

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	***** That is true, it's not rules but rather an official policy. Basically we need to use common sense, which is also why I haven't continued changing your pages. As I said, we can have multiple solutions. But right now it seems one single user has told me to put it as method A and told you it should be method B. Method A is the official policy, method B is... different. :) Anyway my statement remains: ''Either we change the official policy, or we change your player pages...'' ;) We cannot just have everyone doing what they want, it will become a mess. --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 November 2014 (CET)		***** That is true, it's not rules but rather an official policy. Basically we need to use common sense, which is also why I haven't continued changing your pages. As I said, we can have multiple solutions. But right now it seems one single user has told me to put it as method A and told you it should be method B. Method A is the official policy, method B is... different. :) Anyway my statement remains: ''Either we change the official policy, or we change your player pages...'' ;) We cannot just have everyone doing what they want, it will become a mess. --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 November 2014 (CET)

			There's no mess here. Only you see mess.
			Maybe you're some kind of autist...
			Bye now.

Pelotas: /* MNK Lisice players */

2014-11-09T20:58:42Z

MNK Lisice players

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	It's not rules, it's GUIDELINEs!		It's not rules, it's GUIDELINEs!
	Byyyyyyyyye		Byyyyyyyyye

			***** That is true, it's not rules but rather an official policy. Basically we need to use common sense, which is also why I haven't continued changing your pages. As I said, we can have multiple solutions. But right now it seems one single user has told me to put it as method A and told you it should be method B. Method A is the official policy, method B is... different. :) Anyway my statement remains: ''Either we change the official policy, or we change your player pages...'' ;) We cannot just have everyone doing what they want, it will become a mess. --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 November 2014 (CET)

Bilke5 at 20:51, 9 November 2014

2014-11-09T20:51:17Z

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	Basically this means that if a big team has a player that has never played any official match in his career but has been on the bench hundreds of times, the page will still be deleted. In short, the HT Wiki is allowing you to create player pages of every possible player there is, even non-notable players, '''as long as you follow the guidelines and put them in your subdirectory'''. I'm sorry about this, but these are the current rules. Either we change the rules, or we change your player pages... --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 21:29, 9 November 2014 (CET)		Basically this means that if a big team has a player that has never played any official match in his career but has been on the bench hundreds of times, the page will still be deleted. In short, the HT Wiki is allowing you to create player pages of every possible player there is, even non-notable players, '''as long as you follow the guidelines and put them in your subdirectory'''. I'm sorry about this, but these are the current rules. Either we change the rules, or we change your player pages... --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 21:29, 9 November 2014 (CET)

			"Either we change the rules, or we change your player pages..."

			It's not rules, it's GUIDELINEs!
			Byyyyyyyyye

Pelotas: /* MNK Lisice players */ forgot an '

2014-11-09T20:33:20Z

MNK Lisice players: forgot an '

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	'''Association football (soccer) figures are presumed notable if they meet the following: Players who have played in, managers who have managed in, and referees who have officiated any FIFA sanctioned senior international match (including the Olympics) are notable. The notability of these is accepted as they would have received significant coverage as outlined above in the general notability criteria. Players who have played, and managers who have managed in a fully professional league, will generally be regarded as notable. See a list of fully professional leagues kept by WikiProject Football. Note: For the purposes of this guideline, a player has appeared in a match if he or she was in the starting line-up or came on as a substitute. Youth players are not notable unless they satisfy one of the statements above, or if they can be shown to meet the wider requirements of WP:GNG.'''.		'''Association football (soccer) figures are presumed notable if they meet the following: Players who have played in, managers who have managed in, and referees who have officiated any FIFA sanctioned senior international match (including the Olympics) are notable. The notability of these is accepted as they would have received significant coverage as outlined above in the general notability criteria. Players who have played, and managers who have managed in a fully professional league, will generally be regarded as notable. See a list of fully professional leagues kept by WikiProject Football. Note: For the purposes of this guideline, a player has appeared in a match if he or she was in the starting line-up or came on as a substitute. Youth players are not notable unless they satisfy one of the statements above, or if they can be shown to meet the wider requirements of WP:GNG.'''.

	Basically this means that if a big team has a player that has never played any official match in his career but has been on the bench hundreds of times, the page will still be deleted. In short, the HT Wiki is allowing you to create player pages of every possible player there is, even non-notable players, ''as long as you follow the guidelines and put them in your subdirectory'''. I'm sorry about this, but these are the current rules. Either we change the rules, or we change your player pages... --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 21:29, 9 November 2014 (CET)		Basically this means that if a big team has a player that has never played any official match in his career but has been on the bench hundreds of times, the page will still be deleted. In short, the HT Wiki is allowing you to create player pages of every possible player there is, even non-notable players, '''as long as you follow the guidelines and put them in your subdirectory'''. I'm sorry about this, but these are the current rules. Either we change the rules, or we change your player pages... --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 21:29, 9 November 2014 (CET)

Pelotas: /* MNK Lisice players */ another typo

2014-11-09T20:32:53Z

MNK Lisice players: another typo

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	Byyyyye.		Byyyyye.

	**** Then it seems you're just not familiar with the way links work ~~then~~, if you end up at the wrong page. However your team page seems well constructed and without too many redlinks. Anyway I want to clarify this matter so I've asked Nightwish to take a look too. I don't want to start an edit war so let's see what she says and then see if we need to change either the policy or all your player pages. I don't see anything wrong with your team page so no idea why you mention that. Regarding the Juventus or Milan remark it's quite easy, on wikipedia you ARE NOT ALLOWED to create articles of people if they are deemed non notable. The notability criteria are:		**** Then it seems you're just not familiar with the way links work, if you end up at the wrong page. However your team page seems well constructed and without too many redlinks. Anyway I want to clarify this matter so I've asked Nightwish to take a look too. I don't want to start an edit war so let's see what she says and then see if we need to change either the policy or all your player pages. I don't see anything wrong with your team page so no idea why you mention that. Regarding the Juventus or Milan remark it's quite easy, on wikipedia you ARE NOT ALLOWED to create articles of people if they are deemed non notable. The notability criteria are (quoted from [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#Association_football]):
	~~Association football (soccer) figures are presumed notable if they meet the following~~ (quoted from [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#Association_football]):

	'''Players who have played in, managers who have managed in, and referees who have officiated any FIFA sanctioned senior international match (including the Olympics) are notable. The notability of these is accepted as they would have received significant coverage as outlined above in the general notability criteria. Players who have played, and managers who have managed in a fully professional league, will generally be regarded as notable. See a list of fully professional leagues kept by WikiProject Football. Note: For the purposes of this guideline, a player has appeared in a match if he or she was in the starting line-up or came on as a substitute. Youth players are not notable unless they satisfy one of the statements above, or if they can be shown to meet the wider requirements of WP:GNG.'''.		'''Association football (soccer) figures are presumed notable if they meet the following: Players who have played in, managers who have managed in, and referees who have officiated any FIFA sanctioned senior international match (including the Olympics) are notable. The notability of these is accepted as they would have received significant coverage as outlined above in the general notability criteria. Players who have played, and managers who have managed in a fully professional league, will generally be regarded as notable. See a list of fully professional leagues kept by WikiProject Football. Note: For the purposes of this guideline, a player has appeared in a match if he or she was in the starting line-up or came on as a substitute. Youth players are not notable unless they satisfy one of the statements above, or if they can be shown to meet the wider requirements of WP:GNG.'''.

	Basically this means that if a big team has a player that has never ~~play~~ any official match in his career but has been on the bench hundreds of times, the page will still be deleted. In short, the HT Wiki is allowing you to create player pages of every possible player there is as long as you put them in your subdirectory. I'm sorry about this, but these are the current rules. Either we change the rules, or we change your player pages... --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 21:29, 9 November 2014 (CET)		Basically this means that if a big team has a player that has never played any official match in his career but has been on the bench hundreds of times, the page will still be deleted. In short, the HT Wiki is allowing you to create player pages of every possible player there is, even non-notable players, ''as long as you follow the guidelines and put them in your subdirectory'''. I'm sorry about this, but these are the current rules. Either we change the rules, or we change your player pages... --[[User:Pelotas\|Pelotas]] ([[User talk:Pelotas\|talk]]) 21:29, 9 November 2014 (CET)