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Oh, that's been my personal new feature favorite for a long time now, and I guess I'm not the only one that would love scheduled substitutions. However, it's a lot of work related to such a feature. Right now we're focusing on the new youth system (another feature needing a massive amount of work), so other major new features are on hold right now. And as you know, we tend to develop Hattrick at a slow pace in order not to change the whole game over a night too. That said, I will definately not rule this out for the future, even though it will still have to compete with some other major feature prospects.
 
Oh, that's been my personal new feature favorite for a long time now, and I guess I'm not the only one that would love scheduled substitutions. However, it's a lot of work related to such a feature. Right now we're focusing on the new youth system (another feature needing a massive amount of work), so other major new features are on hold right now. And as you know, we tend to develop Hattrick at a slow pace in order not to change the whole game over a night too. That said, I will definately not rule this out for the future, even though it will still have to compete with some other major feature prospects.
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Yes, a substitute require less stamina. When a substitute enters the pitch he's always 100% fit. For how long the substitute will stay fit depends on stamina level and time, as always.  
 
Yes, a substitute require less stamina. When a substitute enters the pitch he's always 100% fit. For how long the substitute will stay fit depends on stamina level and time, as always.  
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''I'm gonna read again all the relevant MyHT messages and posts looking for some date...''
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You will not find any. :)
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When launching this test in the YAs, we didn't set any final test date. Reason for that is that we didn't want to commit to a date which could have been impossible to live up to if there were a lot of problems with the subs. Now, it hasn't been any problems really (just a small amount of minor problems) - but we still haven't set any date.
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''well, even accepting that there will be no official date, if you by any chance finish the implementation in let's say, 5 weeks, when would you lunch the substitutions?:''
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''a) whenever it is possible (in the example in 5 weeks)''
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''b) middle of the league (7 weaks approx.)''
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''c) for the next season''
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My guess would be c, in that case. Perhaps b, but it makes more sense to begin to use it at a start of the season and not in the middle of it (and if it's just as fair to do like that).
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''Let us say you play 3-5-2 with instructions to substitute a defender for a midfielder if a midfielder is sent off. A lot of people will do this (unless they are aware of the bugs). The result if triggered is that you will get lots of confusion AND lose all training for the week since HT considers it a 2-6-2 formation instead of 2-5-2. On the other hand, if a defender is sent off, you will play exactly the same 2-5-2 formation but get no risk of confusion and no risk of losing training.''
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''You consider that only a minor problem?''
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It's definitely a problem and perhaps not really minor, but I could think of many more serious problems than that one.
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''I do hope you are aware of the massive complaints and bug reports you will get if you do nothing to address the current problems in moving players from one position to another.''
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I guess you refer to not being able to make someone a winger or a wing back? Yes, we're aware of that critics, and we also like to add such options (they just aren't that easy to add, a total remake of the ME is probably needed).
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But even though we also think it would subs would be even better with such an option, there are still lots of option you can use.
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''Hmmm, perhaps? You could lose one week of training just because of that (stamina, form etc.) and also on top of that you would get confusions in the game. I wouldn't call that minor and I'm starting to get little worried if you think that there are still more serious problems - I thought that this was basically the only big one.''
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Don't worry about the minor/major terminology, it will of course be fixed.
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''and what about adding the % of the midfield at the middle of the game... as an option for the susbtitution variants''
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That I'm not at all so sure about being a good addition.
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I skip to reply on the first part, that problem will of course be fixed. It's certainly not a feature and we should not live for long with that one. :)
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''Apart from a major rewrite of how the line-up works, I would make a suggestion along the lines of having the sent-off player swap places in the line-up with a designated player from the starting line-up. A separate order can then be given with the same condition, to substitute the player that was moved. It seems to me that whis work-around would eliminate almost every problem.''
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But if I understand you right here, this is one idea to solve the "sent-out confusion and loss of training"-problem, or? It sounded like you had other complaints, and I would be glad to hear them.
 
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Revision as of 16:47, 28 October 2008

Keywords: (Substitutions)

By: HT-Tjecken 7831771.15 as reply to 7831771.2
To: HT-Tjecken 09.01.2007 at 16:00
Reply to (7831762.136)

What's the possibility of having planned or scheduled substitutions? e.g. Substitute A for B in the sixtieth minute. Substitute C for D, if leading by three.


Oh, that's been my personal new feature favorite for a long time now, and I guess I'm not the only one that would love scheduled substitutions. However, it's a lot of work related to such a feature. Right now we're focusing on the new youth system (another feature needing a massive amount of work), so other major new features are on hold right now. And as you know, we tend to develop Hattrick at a slow pace in order not to change the whole game over a night too. That said, I will definately not rule this out for the future, even though it will still have to compete with some other major feature prospects.

Keywords: (Stamina), (Substitutions)

By: HT-Tjecken 7831771.70 as reply to 7831771.1
To: Everyone 16.02.2007 at 12:00
Reply to (7926938.403)

Does a playmaker that comes on as a substitute require less stamina. And if so, does at what point in the game he comes on? Lets say you get a PM injured in the 80th minute and the sub PM comes on, does his stamina really matter then? And is it any difference if he is brought on in the 10th minute?


Yes, a substitute require less stamina. When a substitute enters the pitch he's always 100% fit. For how long the substitute will stay fit depends on stamina level and time, as always.

Keywords: (Substitutions), (Release)

By: HT-Tjecken 11970886.9 as reply to 11970886.3
To: fuyas 7.10.2008 at 18:00
I'm gonna read again all the relevant MyHT messages and posts looking for some date...

You will not find any. :)

When launching this test in the YAs, we didn't set any final test date. Reason for that is that we didn't want to commit to a date which could have been impossible to live up to if there were a lot of problems with the subs. Now, it hasn't been any problems really (just a small amount of minor problems) - but we still haven't set any date.

Keywords: (Substitutions), (Release)

By: HT-Tjecken 11970886.15 as reply to 11970886.11
To: brais 7.10.2008 at 18:16
well, even accepting that there will be no official date, if you by any chance finish the implementation in let's say, 5 weeks, when would you lunch the substitutions?:

a) whenever it is possible (in the example in 5 weeks) b) middle of the league (7 weaks approx.) c) for the next season

My guess would be c, in that case. Perhaps b, but it makes more sense to begin to use it at a start of the season and not in the middle of it (and if it's just as fair to do like that).

Keywords: (Substitutions), (Release), (Bugs)

By: HT-Tjecken 11970886.32 as reply to 11970886.23
To: Torn_ 8.10.2008 at 15:01
Let us say you play 3-5-2 with instructions to substitute a defender for a midfielder if a midfielder is sent off. A lot of people will do this (unless they are aware of the bugs). The result if triggered is that you will get lots of confusion AND lose all training for the week since HT considers it a 2-6-2 formation instead of 2-5-2. On the other hand, if a defender is sent off, you will play exactly the same 2-5-2 formation but get no risk of confusion and no risk of losing training.

You consider that only a minor problem?

It's definitely a problem and perhaps not really minor, but I could think of many more serious problems than that one.

I do hope you are aware of the massive complaints and bug reports you will get if you do nothing to address the current problems in moving players from one position to another.

I guess you refer to not being able to make someone a winger or a wing back? Yes, we're aware of that critics, and we also like to add such options (they just aren't that easy to add, a total remake of the ME is probably needed).

But even though we also think it would subs would be even better with such an option, there are still lots of option you can use.

Keywords: (Substitutions), (Release)

By: HT-Tjecken 11970886.36 as reply to 11970886.33
To: hoo-cee 8.10.2008 at 15:40
Hmmm, perhaps? You could lose one week of training just because of that (stamina, form etc.) and also on top of that you would get confusions in the game. I wouldn't call that minor and I'm starting to get little worried if you think that there are still more serious problems - I thought that this was basically the only big one.

Don't worry about the minor/major terminology, it will of course be fixed.

Keywords: (Substitutions), (Release)

By: HT-Tjecken 11970886.38 as reply to 11970886.37
To: Astrero 8.10.2008 at 16:00
and what about adding the % of the midfield at the middle of the game... as an option for the susbtitution variants

That I'm not at all so sure about being a good addition.

Keywords: (Substitutions), (Release)

By: HT-Tjecken 11970886.40 as reply to 11970886.35
To: Torn_ 8.10.2008 at 16:06
I skip to reply on the first part, that problem will of course be fixed. It's certainly not a feature and we should not live for long with that one. :)

Apart from a major rewrite of how the line-up works, I would make a suggestion along the lines of having the sent-off player swap places in the line-up with a designated player from the starting line-up. A separate order can then be given with the same condition, to substitute the player that was moved. It seems to me that whis work-around would eliminate almost every problem.

But if I understand you right here, this is one idea to solve the "sent-out confusion and loss of training"-problem, or? It sounded like you had other complaints, and I would be glad to hear them.