Difference between revisions of "Hattrick talk:HattrickWikiProject Players"

From Hattrick
(it's late in the night...)
(Few notes)
 
(2 intermediate revisions by 2 users not shown)
Line 7: Line 7:
 
: Maybe categorizing everyone is ok. Other note is concerning the famous players, like those from NT. I think they shouldn't be categorized under the country's main category, but only under the relevant player categories. --[[User:Jhattara|Jhattara]] 14:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 
: Maybe categorizing everyone is ok. Other note is concerning the famous players, like those from NT. I think they shouldn't be categorized under the country's main category, but only under the relevant player categories. --[[User:Jhattara|Jhattara]] 14:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 
:: Do I understand you correctly that you would like both the non-notable players and the notable ones, to be categorized exactly the same (in regards to the country), the only difference between them is what namespace they reside in? --[[User:EchoMan|EchoMan]] 15:14, January 29, 2009 (UTC)
 
:: Do I understand you correctly that you would like both the non-notable players and the notable ones, to be categorized exactly the same (in regards to the country), the only difference between them is what namespace they reside in? --[[User:EchoMan|EchoMan]] 15:14, January 29, 2009 (UTC)
 +
::: Actually that's why I originally opposed categorizing the non-notable players under the '''Demonym Player''' category. --[[User:Jhattara|Jhattara]] 07:10, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
  
  
Line 23: Line 24:
  
 
--[[User:Mod-Karlthegreat|Mod-Karlthegreat]] 22:49, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 
--[[User:Mod-Karlthegreat|Mod-Karlthegreat]] 22:49, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 +
 +
: Yeah. We should definately start using less capitals. Everyone who thinks he has enough time is free to move all pages from '''Word Second Third''' categories and pages into '''Word second third''' categories and pages. --[[User:Jhattara|Jhattara]] 07:10, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
  
 
Yet one other thing from the new notability policy:
 
Yet one other thing from the new notability policy:
Line 38: Line 41:
  
 
What I'm gonna do now is to write [[Hattrick:Player]]. Then we'll have a look at that, vote for or against it and accordingly also change the general notability policy. --[[User:Mod-Karlthegreat|Mod-Karlthegreat]] 03:51, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 
What I'm gonna do now is to write [[Hattrick:Player]]. Then we'll have a look at that, vote for or against it and accordingly also change the general notability policy. --[[User:Mod-Karlthegreat|Mod-Karlthegreat]] 03:51, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 +
 +
 +
I think I may have an issue with the Lastname, Firstname in goal #2 and #3. In Hattrick there is no easy way to determine what is the first and last name of a player, unless you want to browse though match reports. How can everyone in an easy way know what is <i>Manuel Jose Gonzáles Gonzales</i>, <i>Martin Christof Freiherr Spiegel von und zu Peckelsheim</i> or some of the chinese players first and last name? Just a thought. Other than that I can live with the latest additions to this article. --[[User:EchoMan|EchoMan]] 07:25, January 30, 2009 (UTC)
 +
: You can use the player search to determine that. E.g. ''Martin Christof'' is firstname and ''Freiherr Spiegel von und zu Peckelsheim'' is family name. But for retired players determining that can be a bit hard, unless players with the same family name exist in the game. --[[User:Jhattara|Jhattara]] 07:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 09:31, 30 January 2009

Few notes[edit]

I think that non-notable players under team namespace shouldn't be categorized at all. Notable players should be categorized under their nationality. And player categories should also be categorized under their country's category. --Jhattara 07:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I have something against uncategorized pages, but other than that I agree with your points. --EchoMan 08:55, January 29, 2009 (UTC)
I also have something against uncategorized pages, seems better to me to add them under their national player category like you said. And is there an example of a player for the 4th point mentioned at goals (the uncategorised players)? --HeavensAngel 10:42, January 29, 2009 (UTC)
No, there is no such example yet. I had an idea that maybe we could use a template (compare to stub) that would automatically add players that are not having a team to add them to a special category, pending creation of a team-stub page for their team, and susequent move to under there. --EchoMan 11:01, January 29, 2009 (UTC)
Maybe categorizing everyone is ok. Other note is concerning the famous players, like those from NT. I think they shouldn't be categorized under the country's main category, but only under the relevant player categories. --Jhattara 14:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Do I understand you correctly that you would like both the non-notable players and the notable ones, to be categorized exactly the same (in regards to the country), the only difference between them is what namespace they reside in? --EchoMan 15:14, January 29, 2009 (UTC)
Actually that's why I originally opposed categorizing the non-notable players under the Demonym Player category. --Jhattara 07:10, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


I was about to write the policy for players, notability, naming and so on... here's a résumé of what I was gonna propose:

  • Which player belongs where:
    • Articles in name space only for these players: National team (min. 1 cap, cap = played match), U-20 national team (min. 1 cap), Masters participants (1 cap), Cup final winner, top league winner (min 8 played matches), Players with nicknames or very special achievements (like Luca Omini or even much more Sven Åkerblad or Bob Sunesson), perhaps other special player types I couldn't think of right now.
    • Youth team players: Team name/Player name, perhaps rather Team name/Youth Team name/Youth Player. I think I'd prefer that one since youth academies follow the Team name/Youth team name scheme.
    • Normal players not fitting into the name space: Team name/Player name
  • Categories:
    • Players sub 1: categories as we're used to it -> Category:Belgian Players (Category:Demonym Players), but add them to other player categories like Hattrick Masters players / Cup final players / Famous players (for Bobs and others of that kind) / etc.
    • Players sub 2: They should also be categorised with this system: Category:Demonym youth players
    • Players sub 3: just the country category, nothing more.

One thing bugging me is the tendency for capitalising even the second noun on a category (Belgian Players instead of Belgian players). In my opinion we should stop that...

--Mod-Karlthegreat 22:49, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. We should definately start using less capitals. Everyone who thinks he has enough time is free to move all pages from Word Second Third categories and pages into Word second third categories and pages. --Jhattara 07:10, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Yet one other thing from the new notability policy:

Players

There are many players within the Hattrick world, too many even. Not all players can enter the Hattrick Wiki and only a minor part will ever do so.

Notable players
National team and U-20 national team players are notable.
Players that win Hattrick Masters top scorer award are notable.
Generally other players are not notable.

Actually, that's the one part on the notability policy that I was thinking about when I was asking if we should separate the general notability policy from the various possible subjects. What I stated in my comment above contradicts what is written in the notability policy. I was thinking a bit more on the subject the other day, when I realised that one day, sooner or later, Hattrick Clubhouse will cease to exist. In this case we'll have to be prepared for an increased influx of players (perhaps) which needs a) a better structure and b) more types of players will become notable.

What I'm gonna do now is to write Hattrick:Player. Then we'll have a look at that, vote for or against it and accordingly also change the general notability policy. --Mod-Karlthegreat 03:51, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


I think I may have an issue with the Lastname, Firstname in goal #2 and #3. In Hattrick there is no easy way to determine what is the first and last name of a player, unless you want to browse though match reports. How can everyone in an easy way know what is Manuel Jose Gonzáles Gonzales, Martin Christof Freiherr Spiegel von und zu Peckelsheim or some of the chinese players first and last name? Just a thought. Other than that I can live with the latest additions to this article. --EchoMan 07:25, January 30, 2009 (UTC)

You can use the player search to determine that. E.g. Martin Christof is firstname and Freiherr Spiegel von und zu Peckelsheim is family name. But for retired players determining that can be a bit hard, unless players with the same family name exist in the game. --Jhattara 07:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC)