Hattrick talk:HattrickWikiProject Policies and guidelines

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Templates

I'm working in some templates for:

  • Official policy.
  • Official guideline.
  • Proposed policy or guideline.
  • Rejected policy or guideline.

--carlesmu 15:35, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


Ooops!!!!!

I need to add:

/* Standard talk template style */
.Talk-Notice  {
    border: 1px solid #C0C090;
    background-color: #F8EABA;
    margin-bottom: 3px;
    width: 85%;
    border-spacing: 3px;
    margin-left: auto;
    margin-right: auto;
}

to MediaWiki:common.css or MediaWiki:monobook.css. The new templatates need it, you can test them adding the css to your User:username/monobook.css, see User:Carlesmu/monobook.css as example.


I'm changing the class to class="toccolours" (it's defined in one of the css). --carlesmu 15:45, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Organization

Excellent idea, now we can discuss it properly. I would suggest adding some categories (not wiki-categories) for the ideas, to be used in all the guideline pages, and creating them as needed, such as:

  • guidelines
    • writing style - for things concerned to wording, etc
    • naming
    • conventions
  • policies - what is allowed and not allowed, such as personal pages
    • personal content
    • dissambiguation
  • organization - for organizing the information and the wiki
    • templates
    • personal content
    • projects
    • main page

this is just an idea, of course there should be better categories. But probably more than a couple of topics should be discussed and clarified, and categorizing them from the beginning would help it grow. --duno7 15:43, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


I agree, also we need to know what we mean as Hattrick:Consensus (in wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus). --carlesmu 17:26, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


Let's continue here, as Jhattara suggested.

New rules

There are several things:

  • The rules, as they can be read here, are indeed completely out of date
  • There's the manual, which should replace the rules sooner or later, as far as I understood it.
  • The rules are linked in the navigation on the left side, the manual isn't as yet. Can Admins change this or does it need a HT's intervention therefore?

--Mod-Karlthegreat 14:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it needs an intervention from the HT. We could also discuss other issues in the left navigation. Maybe we should try to discuss with other active editors about it's content. --Jhattara 07:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Mainly there are only you, Rob and me often around here. A few people working on translations or caring only about their own page, so not many unfortunately.

Well.. here's a first try:

navigation:

  • Main Page
  • Recent changes
  • Random page
  • Help (I don't know if we can't move this to a new menu category "interaction", like the "real" Wikipedia does, together with everything in the "toolbox")
  • Game Rules
  • Manual (new)
  • My Hattrick
  • Editorials (new)
  • Team
  • Players
  • Skills
  • Coach
  • Training
  • Club
  • Economy
  • Staff (it's a redirect from Employees to Staff..., maybe we should ad a disambiguation in the Staff article and point to an article Hattrick staff (to be created) there)
  • Fans
  • Sponsors
  • Youth
  • Arena
  • Transfers
  • Formations
  • Tactics
  • Rating (maybe rename it "Ratings"?)
  • Match Report
  • Conference (I'd suggest "Conferences" here)
  • Newbie Tips (as a direct link to the category)
  • CHPP (instead of Helper Applications)
  • Abbreviations
  • History (?)
  • World Cup
  • U-20 World Cup
  • Hattrick Masters
  • Countries (?)
  • Community (there's only a tiny article there as of yet)

No idea on the order for the moment.

Let the ideas come ;) --Mod-Karlthegreat 12:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


The Editorial can allready be found under My Hattrick, so I don't think we need that in the navigation menu. I also noticed both Conference and Community in your list. The conference is part of the community, so perhaps it's better to change conference in the current menu into community and let that link to the Category:Community. I agree with the other suggestions, especially a manual in the naviagtion menu is a great idea. --Rob184 16:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

What's this about "Manual" replacing "Rules"? With respect to updating the rules, I've edited to synch with HT in the past. If the changes aren't too extensive, I can do it again. --Mr Wednesday 22:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


To Rob: OK for the editorials/My Hattrick, the community/conference-thingys. I'll rework the list above soon after gathering more opinions here, especially concerning the now following thing.

To both of you: actually the manual is sensed replacing the rules sooner or later. The problem's how to deal with it in the HT Wiki. Go to HT -> Help -> Rules and you'll find this text: The new match engine is to be tested in friendlies this season, please read the manual (updated rules) to understand how it works. Manual (The word manual is actually a link to the manual).

Here's the problem: the manual covers things already covered in the gamerules, but not everything. Also there are no chapters and I suspect more chapters to being reworked in the next weeks/months/? (honestly: I dunno when and if, but I'd doubt if not).

There are three possibilities: two entries in the navigation, one gamerules and the other manual or only one Rules. In the first case we'd have both separate documents but sometimes the same content (in different versions). In the second case we'd have the choice between two separate articles too (and putting a link to an article Manual from the article Rules) or, third of our possibilities, one document and the new sections of the manual replacing the corresponding ones in the Rules (= the current and good old gamerules).

Opinions? --Mod-Karlthegreat 22:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

At the very least, I think we should keep the current page in some form (either revised or archival) for historical reasons. Beyond that, I guess we need to wait and see what happens with the manual? --Mr Wednesday 01:02, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
That could take a long time till the end. :S How about that: we keep the entry Rules which links to some kind of disambiguation page. That page would then basically say "There's a manual and there's the old gamerules (maybe an always current version and, if needed, the current version, which would be the last version with the old engine, as archived version). The manual shall replace the gamerules, but this isn't done yet. Therefore we have both documents here. etc."? --Mod-Karlthegreat 06:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Depending on what happens with the manual, it may even make more sense to change the menu entry to Manual, and include a link to the older rules at the top of the manual page. --Mr Wednesday 00:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Well... next try:

Possibility 1:

navigation:

  • Main Page
  • Recent changes
  • Random page
  • Help
  • Manual (new)
  • My Hattrick
  • Team
  • Players
  • Skills
  • Coach
  • Training
  • Club
  • Economy
  • Staff (instead of Employees)
  • Fans
  • Sponsors
  • Youth
  • Arena
  • Transfers
  • Formations
  • Tactics
  • Ratings
  • Match Report
  • Newbie Tips (comment on this one see below)
  • CHPP (instead of Helper Applications)
  • Abbreviations
  • History
  • World Cup
  • U-20 World Cup
  • Hattrick Masters
  • Countries
  • Community (comment on this one see below)


Possibility 2:

interaction

  • Main Page
  • Recent changes
  • Random page
  • Help

navigation:

  • Manual (new)
  • My Hattrick
  • Team
  • Players
  • Skills
  • Coach
  • Training
  • Club
  • Economy
  • Staff (instead of Employees)
  • Fans
  • Sponsors
  • Youth
  • Arena
  • Transfers
  • Formations
  • Tactics
  • Ratings
  • Match Report
  • Newbie Tips (comment on this one see below)
  • CHPP (instead of Helper Applications)
  • Abbreviations
  • History
  • World Cup
  • U-20 World Cup
  • Hattrick Masters
  • Countries
  • Community (comment on this one see below)

Several comments now:

  • Comment on "Community": Rob184 suggested that it should be a direct link to Category:Community. I've thought about it again and to be honest, I'm not anymore persuaded it's the better choice. Mostly because we have already an article Community which could be extended. Also the link to the Category should be in that article.
  • Comment on "Newbie Tips": This article redirects mostly to the Category and I had a look at the description of the Category. The content should actually be placed in the article Newbie Tips where it fits much more. Same as for community there should also be a "See also" chapter.
  • Ratings: I'd prefer that instead of Rating as there's simply not one unique rating when looking at the match report.
  • Line-up: That's already a redirect to Formations which should be the better choice.
  • The second possibility would reflect much more the difference between purely wiki-editing related pages and the main articles themselves.
  • Staff: Same as for Line-up. It's already a redirect.

I'd be happy to get comments (if possible please comment at least on all the 6 points below) and maybe we can make a little poll, before this can go to the GMs (no need to hurry though).--Mod-Karlthegreat 13:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Both possibilities look good, but my choice goes to possibility 2
Reaction on the comments:
  • Community: I agree with you
  • Newbie Tips: I'm (totaly) agree ;-)
  • Rating(s): Ratings is better indeed.
  • Line-up: Agree
  • Staff: Indeed a much better name then Employees.
As you see I have nothing to add this time. It looks great. --Rob184 14:11, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
I'll take a good look at this after new year as soon as I have time. --Jhattara 21:53, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
I think that the navigation menu should be reduced in size. Here's an example of shorter navigation menu:
  • Main Page
  • Recent changes
  • Random page
  • Help
  • Manual (new)
  • Team
  • Players
  • Economy
  • Youth
  • Formations
  • Match Report
  • Newbie Tips (comment on this one see below)
  • CHPP (instead of Helper Applications)
  • Abbreviations
  • History
  • Competitions [cup, league, HM, World Cup ...]
  • Countries [linking to Category:Countries]
  • Community (comment on this one see below)
IMHO only the most basic stuff should be linked through the left hand navigation menu. --Jhattara 20:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


OK, I recognize my idea's grown too large and I guess yours is better as it's shorter. One thing though. I'd really like us to follow the real wikipedia and have it like this:
interaction
  • Main Page
  • Recent changes
  • Random page
  • Help
navigation
  • Manual (new)
  • Team
  • Players
  • Economy
etc.
How about that one? --Mod-Karlthegreat 04:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I think splitting the navigation in two would make it more clear. --Jhattara 09:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

CSS

Could any admin add this class to both MediaWiki:common.css?

#bodyContent .plainlinks a {
	background: none !important;
	padding: 0 !important;
	color: #002bb8 !important;
}

It will hide the external link icon like the edit feature in the documentation template Template:Documentation--Mod-Geek 18:14, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I tried it in my personal stylesheet. It doesn't appear to have done anything, what should I be looking for? --Mr_Wednesday 02:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, maybe the personal stylesheet is disabled? I tried putting a table class in there and nothing happened when I tried to use it. --Mr_Wednesday 02:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Did you hit Ctrl+f5 to clear the cache too? --Jhattara 16:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Yes. I subsequently confirmed that there's no personal stylesheet by looking at the page source. If there were, it would show up in the list of stylesheets that are linked in the page head. On Wikipedia, I also get the following line that is absent here:
<link rel="stylesheet" href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mr_Wednesday/monobook.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css" type="text/css" media="all" /> --Mr_Wednesday 17:28, 12 May 2010 (UTC)