ehm, the language of the wiki is English, not Dutch. Maybe a good idea to translate this stuff, if you really think these pages have value;-) --GM-Lau 20:07, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
You lazy bum :) You could've done that yourself ;) Now I did the job, but I'm not going to translate all pages about the infamous users themselves. --larsw84
I don't think 99.99% of people ever heard of these guys... Does the page really have a purpose? --Catalyst2950 20:16, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Suggestion: maybe delete this page and create a category instead? --larsw84 20:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Umm....who took out R-B?
Dennis86 did, judging from the history of the article. <--- I did what? 14:03, 15 December 2005 (UTC) Dennis86
Ogthedim: it might be a good idea to put your signature after your comments here. --larsw84 00:25, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Dennis86: you removed a link to Rondell-Beene, another infamous Hattricker added by Ogthedim. Since you apparently didn't know you did it, you probably did it by accident, so I'll place him back. --larsw84 14:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't think, that it's good idea to have such page at all. Or I do not understand the purpose of it. As initially stated "and were either banned, locked, heavily fined, or known in other ways for remarkable behaviour". Excuse me, but since when, cheating, misbehaving in forrums, etc (all things, fow which you might get banned is a remarkable). And it's meant to have this banned list of "honour", then Rondell-Beene certainly does NOT belong here. At last, thousands users are remarkable in their own way. For me none of these guys are role models in Hattrick. If everyone will add their rescpected users here, then it will grow to be the same like Users page. I agree with Catalyst2950 vote for removal of this page. --LA-Motto 18:36:08, 2005-12-15 (UTC)
Any thoughts on my suggestion to have a category for this instead of a page? --larsw84 22:50, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I concur that having a category instead of a page would be the best solution... --Boucoudabou 10:36, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
agree with Lars & Boucadabou.
As an aside, I haven't heard of any of these guys, and I'm a fairly active member of the HT community. I really don't think they are 'infamous' anyway. Dancing rob 10:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
There is alaready category Users, where it's said "Some famous users of Hattrick.". Users, that are listed there are alredy more known, than the ones here. I am against the idea to make some kind of black list from this page. And discussions which users are worth to be on this "special category" will lead only flamewar. So, if noone will give a good reason, I would say - we need to remove this page, and all the users that are here redirect to Users category. --LA-Motto 11:17:08, 2005-12-16 (UTC)
To all: the users initially listed on this page were (in)famous in HT-Nederland and België only. In fact there used to be a line on this page stating only Dutch and Belgian users should be listed here.
LA-Motto: your solution would completely eliminate the entire reason why this page is here, but judging from what you say that is exactly what you want. I agree with you a page/category like this could potentially cause some problems, but that wouldn't be a reason for me not to give it a go - we could always remove the page once these problems actually occur. Also, I think the users that started this page take some pride in actually being infamous. So for that group of users, this page certainly has some (personal) value.
Not sure whether personal value should be a reason to keep a page though. Maybe community value is the standard? Although I could imagine a group of users actually finding a page/category like this funny. --larsw84 12:41, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Lars, I was actually the one removing the "Netherlands and Belgium only" link, since that sort of page reservation is not desirable IMO. If there is a page for infamous users, let is be for all of Hattrick's infamous users. I agree that it's best to not remove page AND category but I'm still in favour of removing the page and creating a category - infamous users still have their own area, and mark, without everything becoming a mess. --Boucoudabou 13:34, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
agree with the category, not page suggestion Dancing rob 13:50, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
I fully agreed with you removing that line, B. But that as a sidenote.
Anyways, how are we going to change this into a category? We would need to alter quite a few links then wouldn't we? --larsw84 13:52, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
After all this reasoning I still see, that it's totaly fine to have this information about infamous users in Hattrick. Nevertheless, all of them should be put in the Users category. And then in the users page it should be written, what so infamous he did to be written in. Nevertheless, Wiki is a collaborative ressource, thus it's fine for me to stick to majority oppinion - Category instead of topic. Thus I will try to do it --LA-Motto 08:25:21, 2005-12-17 (UTC)