We need some framework for the main page. Perhaps a Featured Article section, or even a featured club section, along with links to different subpages for the wiki. Also, some pictures would REALLY help some of these pages get on their feet. I'll do what I can, but from now on anyone making a new page should add an appropriate picture, if possible. For instance, if you are making a page for a certain nation, it should include their flag.
---Catalyst 00:36:42, 2005-11-28 (UTC)
As far as I'm concerned we forgo this dot.
Shall we scrap the Introduction? I mean, it takes up valuable space, and we'd be better off having featured articles, expanding the content, adding links to projects, popular pages, etc... That is, a framework mentioned at the top of the discussion by an unknown person. --Catalyst2950 21:07, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
The unknown person would be me... it was originally part of a 2nd paragraph which got split up from the other comments by someone. --Catalyst 00:36:42, 2005-11-28 (UTC)
I think we should also include the main categories (=Portals). ATM it looks only like a help page. Problem: What are the main categories and how should we call them? we have:
- Countries, Regions, Zones, Continents in "Geography"
i would also add:
- national teams (inclusive World Cups category)
- (HT site navigation)
--Shyrlden 18:41, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
ok, i have created the navbar template. Perhaps we should merge "Users" & "Federations" under a "Community" roof. (then we could also include the categories "HT-Radio stadions" & "External HT-Portals" there).--Shyrlden 13:10, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
The Hebrew Wikattrick:
I'll be glad if you will add this link to the main page. Thanks!
I have created some layout boxes in Meta:Sandbox yesterday. If nobody objects, tomorrow I'll copy the MediaWiki:Sidebar category content here on the main page and make the whole thing more accessible. Hopefully Htsysop will then clean up the sidebar because it's almost, but not entirely, unlike being usable. We should also really write some Editing Guidelines to be visibly linked as well, since there's still a whole lot of "I think", "I have", "You should" and ":)" in the articles... --Catalyst2950 17:42, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
I have added some content boxes to duplicate the left menu. Tested in Opera, FF and IE. Should play very nicely with other browsers, too. Obeys the users' font sizes. Has two boxes per row in 1024x768. Feel free to improve, suggest, or even revert! :) --Catalyst2950 13:49, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Nice! (I see you implemented them)--GM-Lau 13:50, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
You did well! --ukelele 13:53, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
We might have a layout box for HT-World. Links to countries, CHPP's, HM and such. What do you think?--Coriolis 23:10, June 21, 2006 (UTC)
Width of the layout boxes
Introduction and content (the layout boxes) each gets the 50% of the space (1024x768). I think it will be better with only one columns for the content and a small width for them and, may be, only show the Hattrick and Miscellaneous boxes. --carlesmu 21:42, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
This is (was, actually), a copy of the MediaWiki:Sidebar article to ease up navigation, because the menu on the left is cluttered, and User:Htsysop should change it. If we remove the Introduction, which I think we should, then we can discuss on how to format those boxes better and what to include in them. --Catalyst2950 22:27, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
HattrickWikiProjects and guidelines
We should create some kind of a Rules of Conduct and Editing Guidelines articles and link them directly in the Main Page article, preferably marked with a distinct background color. --Catalyst2950 06:50, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
The problem with written rules is that people who read them usually had no intention in breaking them in the first place, and vice versa. --jablan
I also think that we should set some guidelines and make an effort on how to coordinate the writing efforts. A good way to deal with this would be the creation of Hattrick:HattrickWikiProjects - so we can divide and organize the work better. A Project can be created with the goals of deciding and enforcing some Rules of Conduct, Guidelines, etc. All those specific issues would be discussed on the Project pages, instead of using the Hattrick forums or looking for information in a lot of places.
To demonstrate the use, I have created the Hattrick:HattrickWikiProjects main page, along with a sample project: Hattrick:HattrickWikiProject_Templates. If you think this idea could be useful, please go ahead and improve it :) --duno7 19:50, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Nice document, I think we could take that as an initial reference. Why not creating a project that deal with the Guidelines setting? It looks like a big task, and it could have sub-projects and such. In my opinion, we should first discuss some issues, and then release some documents: a couple of "compressed guides for readers/writers/etc", and a set of articles that explain each issue or guideline in detail. And I guess the sooner the better! (this is growing fast!) --duno7 18:24, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Is there any chance that the < math > functions can be activated? Currently they are throwing an error. I'd like to incorporate more forumlas on some of the pages. --psymon 21:03, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I've tried to make the page look a little cleaner, and quite like the division into four sections. The 'Miscellaneous' box has been moved to Start Here!.
The actual format looks pretty bad though. Can anyone make it prettier? Dancing rob 22:47, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
As far as I'm concerned, the Introduction has to go away. Then we create only TWO boxes - one for the featured article (we need that!), one for things that are currently in other boxes. Maybe add some quick categories on top of the page. What I did a couple of days ago was to copy the Sidebar so hopefully Htsysop would clean it up - it hasn't happened, though. I suggest a complete restructuring of this page tomorrow. --Catalyst2950 22:54, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
The addition of links to useful categories is a really nice idea - I suggest we have at least links to the user clubs and probably countries / regions / something like that. Regarding the countries issue, are the non-category pages really necessary? Please check Category:Geography, the articles listed there are not really very useful, should we redirect them to the Category articles instead? --duno7 13:31, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Any news on sorting the sidebar problem yet? Dancing rob 22:18, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Nope :( --Catalyst2950 22:30, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
I suggest we have at least links to the user clubs and probably countries / regions / something like that. <- Maybe inside a new table in the contents called "The Community" ? It could also include a link to "Articles".
Wiki logon contest
I want to add this at the top of the front page:
<div style="border-width: 4px; border-color:red; border-style: groove; background-color: #efdfdf; margin-left:12em; margin-right:12em; text-align: center"> ==Hattrick wiki logo content== * Do you want a new logo for our wiki? * Do you want to make the new HT-wiki logo? * Do yo want to see them? '''''Go to [[Hattrick wiki logo contest]] and participate!!!''''' </div>
--carlesmu 11:27, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
I changed it to contest
Getting started (a guide for wiki beginners)
Is there a user who has the power block IPs and whatnot? Because I have a feeling the main page is going to get vandalized a lot. --septimusjm 16:07, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, we really need IP blocking! I think I have restored all pages now... --184.108.40.206 16:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I restored the guy who most recently vandalized the main page: Bearsden FC. Odd that his IP here and on Hattrick completely matched... Someone had the power to block IP, it's just a matter of locating that person. One of the HT's probably.
--septimusjm 16:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
HTSysop has the power to block IPs, and I'm pretty sure I've seen them ban someone before in the recent changes. I'm assuming eventually there will be Wiki admins (perhaps GMs) who will have banning power, but right now it's just HTSysop (maybe a slightly different name, I forget). --Catalyst 23:03:24, 2005-12-08 (UTC)
Yes, but how do you contact HTSysop? There's a page, but it appears to be unused. --septimusjm 03:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, whenever you add a message to the person's talk page, not only will it appear when they login, but also it will send them an email. I'm assuming whoever Htsysop is (probably one of the HTs) will check his email and see that they have a message. So I'd say that's the best way to contact them, by adding a message to this page. --Catalyst 00:34:37, 2005-12-23 (UTC)
Turkish Main page
There are many Turkish "Hattrick" user. So I think wiki must have a Turkish Main Page. All Turkish user will be happy if you do it.
There are many other users from all over the world (and several countries have many more users than Turkey). Why should HT Wiki have a Turkish main page and not in in other languages? I say no. Keep HT WIki in English. --Assyrian Master 16:24:59, 2006-05-10 (UTC)
- I dont need turkish, (i dont even understand it), but has anybody once thinked about, to add other languages to wiki.hattrick.org. The main langage will always stay english, but there are many users, who doesnt understand much english. and so it would be great to offer the sites in other languages. My question is simple, will there once be some more languages than english, or never? Allsports 16:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
- If something like this is to happen, I think the appropriate way would be something like what wikipedia does, with separate domains for different languages. That's something to take up with the HTs. Personally, I'm not opposed to it -- it can't hurt, and I'm not going to be the one who has to support it. :) --Mr Wednesday 18:11, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
What's wrong with the random page option? It keeps trowing up the same page over and over. It used to work fine. --ukelele 11:50, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- It looks like some sort of caching. If you hit "Random Page" five or six times, it will eventually switch to a new page. I don't know if this issue is wiki-side or user-side or a combination of the two. --Mr Wednesday 18:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Suggestion: Hattricks Book of Records
How about creating a new division of this wiki dedicated to records? Much of the discussion on the Hattrick forums are about records; who got the most stars in one game, who is the oldest player/trainer, who got the most highest number of consecutive wins/losses, etc, etc. I suggest Guinness Book of Records-like Hattricks Book of Records. Would like some input one this, before I begin constructing something, though. Your comments?
In case you haven't noticed, not a lot's getting done based on the "discussion" here. And what is getting done is b/c interested users go out and create it...and then slightly less interested users come along and improve it. So if records is your thing, I suggest you get it started. I'd base it off a category page, something along the lines of: category:hattrick records. That way all the variations can fall under the category page with a simple category tag. --septimusjm 16:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I have noticed... :-) I might give it a shot when I have time. KrazyKat 16:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
A favicon (the same as in www.hattrick.org) should be referenced in the code. I know no one but the HT's have the power to do it, but I think no one has mentioned this before. -- Kiusap 12:39, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
My understanding is that the Wiki would be English only. There are lots of reasons for this, not least is that the more languages used, the harder it is to verify/edit information. Just browsing around, there appear to be quite a few non-English pages. Recently a lot of pages in Russian. Is the Wiki English only? If so, what needs to be done about the non-English pages? --septimusjm 17:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- This wiki is meant to be english only, but as the russian community clearly wants its own Wiki they are constructing it with a "silent" approval from us mods. They keep to their own folder (Ru/) and don't try to mix the russian pages with the english pages, and thus there is no reason to interfere with this. When it grows big enough I hope that the HT-staff take steps to establish a new subdomain for the russian Wiki. --Jhattara 19:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
What do you mean when you write "don't try to mix the russian pages with the english pages" ? Does it mean that we can't keep a link with an English page until we will have translated this page ?
- I think that the links from other wiki's to English wiki is ok for as long as the article linked to is not translated to the other language. --Jhattara 16:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
The Hebrew Wiki
There is also hattrick wiki in Hebrew named: "Wikattrick", here-
I'll be glad if you will add it to the main page - thanks! You can contact me in HTmail: MELAFEFON-omerzigdon.