Talk:Ten Principle Approach

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Should we really advise people to buy a passable/poor coach? IMO the key to success early is promoting and surviving in V (or VI or so in a larger country) THEN buying a Solid coach. Seems to me like by advising people to buy passable/poor, we're making a breed of farm teams instead of competitors. To get people interested in the game, they need to see success is within grasp. Nothing teaches that better than winning and learning how to manage TS early on. Yes, training is important, but so are sponsor revenue, gate receipts, and prize money. It's very possible to run a successful training program without a passable trainer... I did it my first two seasons. Buying passable/poor seems like a waste of money to me. I'd much rather tell my friends to buy inadequate/passable and start winning and establish their training program with the revenue from gate receipts. --Catalyst 20:22:13, 2005-12-21 (UTC)

Change it. Or add a note. Or create a THIRD version of the 10 principle approach. ;) I agree it's bad advice but was too lazy to change it myself when I read it a couple of weeks ago.

Btw, I'm surprised newbie guides haven't proliferated more on HT wiki. When I started playing HT, that seemed like a big thing for people to do, write newbie guides. I must have read dozens of them. (And still started by training keepers!) --septimusjm 01:05, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Me too actually... I think keepers are most definitely a great option for starting managers that want the quick turnover to get on their feet. That and wingers. But I'm afraid we're in the minority on that one... --Catalyst 01:25:31, 2005-12-22 (UTC)

I still advise newbs to get a passable/poor coach initially. I still think it's good advice for some situations, although I don't know how widespread those situations are in the U.S. even (and especially other countries).

Here's my reasoning:

  • In the average VI series, the competition isn't really on top of things. Even poor leadership still leaves opportunities for leveraging TS management, and even a little TS management is enough to get a leg up on the competition.
  • Building a platform for long-term success is also important, so the team doesn't stagnate, and the best way to do that is to hit the ground running with your training program. A solid coach is not affordable for a new team, and a passable coach is only affordable with poor leadership.

Here are the caveats:

  • Even in an average V series, very careful TS management may be enough to earn a qualifier instead of an autodemotion (hard for me to be sure of this, because being in IV I don't really follow where the average V series sits these days)
  • In a more established or upwardly-mobile VI series, there may be stiff competition where careful TS management is necessary for early success

--Mr Wednesday 23:24, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I have my own newbie guide online in HTML format, but I don't really feel inspired to port it here. For one thing, it's probably out of date, I edit it infrequently. :)

My newbie guide

--Mr Wednesday 23:27, 3 January 2006 (UTC)