Hattrick talk:Notability
Discussion
At this time the policy isn't complete, but we can start discussion of a few points:
- Whether or not the Team:XXX namespace for non-notable teams is the best option
- Where to draw the line for articles about users (which should exist and which shouldn't)
- Where to draw the line for articles about players
- What else should be included in this policy
-Catalyst 21:55:19, 2006-04-08 (UTC)
First the Team: namespace needs to be created. I'm not aware does Wikimedia restrict the number of namespaces, but I think it would be a very good idea to have a Team: namespace. --Jhattara 06:43, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure there's no restriction, and even if there were I think the Team: Namespace is important enough to have one. I've moved my page there (Team:Bremerton Bombers) but I think this policy will have to be passed before we move other teams there. -Catalyst 19:33:07, 2006-04-09 (UTC)
- Having a Team:Namespace would at least be better than having individual teams somewhere deep in the User:Namespace/Team area. I don't know who will policing the Level 1 articles, but well some restrictions on the use of the main namespace seems logical to me. --Oligarf 16:47, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't think this is at all necessary, and certainly not the "level 1 notability" requirments. I kinda think that someone, not saying who, really likes to write regulations. Which is okay, but I think this wiki suffers from lack of (in-depth) participation. Rules such as these are only going to make that worse, as people create pages, have them deleted, are referred to "policies," on and on. The wiki should be fun, lively, and not taken as seriously as all that.
Furthermore (you knew there'd be one), there is simply not enough discussion/participation in this (or the other) policy debates to warrant making a serious decisions. It is unfair for 3 or 4 people to determine the fate of a wiki that belongs to hundreds of thousands (regardless if only a few thousand actively use it). Unless we can drum up REAL debate, these policies should be decided VERY carefully, if at all. The consensus and naming convention policies are relatively practical--this policy is full of value judgments and so I think it should be nixed right now, in its inception.
Or better, severely narrowed. I'd suggest just stating the difference namespaces notable and non-notable teams should be placed in. The parameters given for "level 1" teams make nice guidlines, but they should ONLY be suggestions. If there is some question about whether a particular team or manager is truly notable, it be could be decided on a case-by-case basis in that page's discussion page. The "Level 1 article restrictions" should be trashed altogether. As well as the various levels of notability.
I think it fine to say all non-notable teams should go in a derivitive namespace, and the team:namespace seems a good idea. But again, I think the definitions of notability should be guidelines and NOT policy.
(I mean, we haven't even been able to have decide on a freaking logo. And now we're trying to decide on serious policys? The wiki is too young for this.)
--septimusjm 17:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Well I agree that the policies simply aren't getting the participation they need to actually determine them on a grand scale, but I was attempting the opposite when I made IPD. Policies have been sitting dormant for ages... the only reason I wrote this one was that the Naming Conventions policy really made it essential. Consensus was written because it had ~10 inbound links already to what was a nonexistant page. So, I actually don't like writing policies, or I would have written 20 by now :-). However, I do see the necessity for some sort of order... we get ~5 new team articles per day. That needs to be regulated now, or else when we actually write a policy some months from now, we're going to need a team of people to actually organize all the articles.
It's not that I'm trying to make things difficult for people. I want the opposite for the wiki. But you must admit that when we have articles titled "Hattricklistan" that are doing nothing for the wiki, we need to do something about it.
I think the policy is attempting too much at the moment, but again I thought we would have more input than this.
And when you talk about in-depth participation, I have to say that writing an article about a hattrick team is much less of in-depth participation than policy writing and organizing all those articles... at least 60% of wiki editing and contributing goes far beyond just the writing, and that's just inherent to a wiki.
We're too young to establish full policies, yes, but we need to have something. And I think Consensus, Notability, and Naming Conventions are three essentials to the wiki... no, they don't need to be policies, but they do need to be written. I'd like to see some organization to the growth of articles we have... right now the wiki is very, very far from navigable. We need to work on organization, and Notability and Naming do that. Consensus is fundamental to any wiki.
Believe me, though, I'm far from enthusiastic about writing policies. I merely think that we need to get something done policy-wise, and no one else seems to want to write anything beyond something copy-pasted from the Wiki, so I took the initiative. -Catalyst 21:00:34, 2006-04-28 (UTC)
Hmm. A week later, and no discussion even on policies? Maybe the wiki doesn't need more policies, then, but more participation? --septimusjm 15:46, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
