HTs on Global/Alltid

Keywords: (Alltid), (Statistics), (Merge)

From:	HT-Tjecken		(11858197.1) as reply to ()
To: Everyone			15-09-2008 at 10:04
Today I got some really pleasant news, especially for all of you who love statistics! As you can see on MyHT space now (or in a minute), Alltid will become a part of Hattrick. This means there will be a lot more statistics to enjoy within Hattrick, and also some brand new cool statistics to look forward to in the future. For us (and I also speak for weird_Ed) this feels fantastic and we're really eager to get started. :)

Keywords: (Alltid), (Statistics), (Merge)

From:	HT-Tjecken		(11858197.25) as reply to (11858197.18)
To: jacek_BTL			15-09-2008 at 10:25
Will all current alltid features be accessible to all HT users, or will some of them be limited to supporters only? Today's Alltid Plus (Alltid's premium service) features will become Supporter features. So our supporters will get some really nice new features "for free" so to say (congratulation to all supporters!). Apart from that, more or less everything else will be available for everyone. Perhaps there will be some more distinction (like Supporters may get "bigger top lists", while non-Supporters get smaller top lists), but we hope to make the most features available for all users.

Keywords: (Alltid), (Statistics), (Merge), (Clubhouse)

From:	weird_ed		(11858197.26) as reply to (11858197.16)
To: EchoMan			15-09-2008 at 10:26
You talk about Clubhouse, right? :P The biggest issue for both Hattrick and me during our talks was that we didn't want to end up in a new clubhouse situation. That's why it's very important for us to actually move everything over to the standard Hattrick platform so it all lives in harmony, and can be developed/maintained by the HT dev team as usual. This never happened with Clubhouse, unfortunately. This is also why we want to spend some time on it, so we are sure we will get it right.

Keywords: (Alltid), (Statistics), (Merge)

From:	weird_ed		(11858197.29) as reply to (11858197.9)
To: Rahvean			15.9.2008 at 10:28
What about Maptrick? It was going to move integrate with alltid. This will still happen in some form. And I think it's a very good thing for some of the Maptrick functionality to get better data from HT. Some Maptrick functions won't make much sense within Hattrick though, so it's something we'll have to consider as we go.

Keywords: (Alltid), (Statistics), (Merge)

From:	HT-Tjecken		(11858197.31) as reply to (11858197.20)
To: Ratsia			15-09-2008 at 10:32
I can't answer on all your questions today unfortunately, exactly what will happen with each statistics (Supporter vs Alltid) is not set in stone yet (as you perhaps understood from my previous post in this thread). But our aim is certainly to provide more and better statistics, not the other way round. And we don't feel any pride that our current Supporter statistics must stay as they are, I mean - they should really be improved!

Keywords: (Alltid), (Statistics), (Merge)

From:	weird_ed		(11858197.33) as reply to (11858197.20)
To: Ratsia			15-09-2008 at 10:43
It would be nice to know that such a great merge does not mean we actually lose some of the services we have received from Alltid thus far. You ask some very good questions, but it's hard to give a definitive answer to all of those at this moment. But I'm definitely keeping them in mind. I'm very intent on making everything a better experience for everyone. Even so, there will probably be one or two things which might not work as good as they used to, while most things should work better.

Keywords: (Alltid), (Statistics), (Merge)

From:	weird_ed		(11858197.37) as reply to (11858197.33)
To: jacek_BTL			15-09-2008 at 10:47
Another problem is: alltid lists contain sometimes quite a lot of teams. One solution to this would be to make better summary information on each team page. Something which should be a lot easier to do now. It's definitely something I'll look into.

Keywords: (Alltid), (Statistics), (Merge)

From:	HT-Tjecken		(11858197.39) as reply to (11858197.38)
To: HardRocker			15-09-2008 at 10:54
Can you give us a more detailed explaination about how "integrated" the two systems will be? Pretty much like Romeo and Juliet. ;) I guess weird_ed can tell you a bit more of that, but in principle it will be Hattrick containing all of Alltid's features. As mentioned, we don't want to make another Clubhouse (a stand-alone unit outside Hattrick) mistake. So everything will be inside Hattrick.

Keywords: (Alltid), (Statistics), (Merge)

From:	HT-Tjecken		(11858197.64) as reply to (11858197.60)
To: Ratsia			15-09-2008 at 12:00
Of course. The crucial question just is whether you consider the current status of HT as the baseline, or the combination of HT and Alltid. :) The latter. We're very keen on making this a positive thing for everyone (and all the way), so we hope to include everything and we also want to improve the "combined product" even more after the integration. That said, there might be some stuff which just don't fit for any reason (but right now I can't really mention what that could be or if anything like that exists at all).

Keywords: (Alltid), (Statistics), (Merge)

From:	HT-Johan		(11858197.73) as reply to (11858197.65)
To: Ratsia			15-09-2008 at 12:44
So, then we'll know who we'll meet in the cup the monday after the league ends? Alltid has always provided this service, will Hattrick do that now? That is a good example of something that should be a part of regular Hattrick. We wont move all features in one go, though, the Alltid site will coexist with Hattrick and run as normal until we feel all the relevant things are integrated into Hattrick. Of course we see the current Alltid features as a baseline to be improved upon, this will give us a new database devoted to stats, and it is very much our intention to put it to full use.

Keywords: (Alltid), (Statistics), (Merge)

From:	HT-Johan		(11858197.75) as reply to (11858197.74)
To: Catalyst2950			15-09-2008 at 12:52
Getting Alltid was the best thing that ever happened to Hattrick, just so you know :) Yep, we are pretty excited about it, too!

Keywords: (Alltid), (Statistics), (Merge)

From:	weird_ed		(11858197.121) as reply to (11858197.91)
To: enigmamz			16-09-2008 at 08:23
Will it still be independently run, with you all just using it as needed, or will it become part of Extralives? It will be a part of Extralives/Hattrick. This is a good thing, because it ensures what happened to Clubhouse don't happen to the stats.

Keywords: (Alltid), (Statistics), (Merge)

From:	weird_ed		(11858197.122) as reply to (11858197.94)
To: PalinM			16-09-2008 at 08:25
One of the things I have used a lot on Alltid is the posibility of making groups af friand and federations. Will this be posisible in HT to?? Yes! I think the most entertaining thing about stats is to compare your team to your friends teams, and find that one stat where you might have an advantage, just so you can brag about it :) The team compare/grouping functions will stay, for sure.

Keywords: (Alltid), (Statistics), (Merge)

From:	weird_ed		(11858197.123) as reply to (11858197.108)
To: Calvert			16-09-2008 at 08:29
Well, the non-supporters who paid for a lifetime Alltid subscription because they couldn't afford Hattrick supporter really got hosed. I think it's too early to say if anyone got hosed by this. You'll have to wait and see what's gonna happen with the stats, how it's presented and how much non-supporters gets access to. My personal opinion is that no one will get hosed. Quite the opposite.

Keywords: (Alltid), (Statistics), (Merge)

From:	weird_ed		(11858197.124) as reply to (11858197.114)
To: Aildrek			16-09-2008 at 08:32
For instance it should be possible to search for players of a certain nationality throughout the whole hattrick world like it can be done within each nation. You mean like this? [1] What about nt-db, weird_Ed? Was it not about to fuse with alltid as well? I'm not sure if NT-DB style functionality is something which HT should provide, to be honest. Either way, it won't happen in a long time. Sorry :-/