Hattrick talk:Player

Proposal: adapt non-notability criteria

Hereby I would like to make a new proposal regarding player notability. The current proposal regarding player notability defines clearly the difference between notable and non-notable players, with notable players being National- and/or U-20-team members or HT Masters top scorers. Basically it seems to me that there is nothing wrong with this classification. However, it is also stated that there are too many players and that not all can enter the wiki, which is probably the reason why for non-notable players, the policy states that non-notable players should only be created as part of a subdirectory, such as Lokomotiv Veltem Back-on-Track/Emin Muhammet Oğulbay instead of Emin Muhammet Oğulbay.

I propose to keep the notability classification, but also to revise this policy to allow ALL players to be created directly without using a subdirectory. Two downsides: 1) All current non-notable player pages will need to be moved. 2) The risk for having two identically named players increases.

Upsides: 1) It will make editing and specifically linking so much more straightforward! 2) We can get rid of the teamname in the article, it doesn't make sense! 3) The probability of having two identically named players minor and can be resolved easily. My proposal in case of players with the same name: multiple articles will be created, each named ==> firstname lastname (id=playerid) <== and a disambiguation page can be created, such as for instance for Sam Smith on wikipedia.

PS: note that this November this wiki turned 9 years. the policies for both Notability and Players have not been adapted since 2009 and have been agreed upon by probably not more than ten users in 2006 or so...

Please state below your comments, thanks! --Pelotas (talk) 21:50, 13 November 2014 (CET)

I like that idea,but, what if somebody want a different form, like this one Oscar Iruña (Atletico Bizancio), using the name of the team instead of Atletico Bizancio/Oscar Iruña ?? i like the first one, the name of the team is essencial for the recognition of the players i think, the ID of the player put it in the player info or in the description instead --Sorlac (talk) 21:55, 13 November 2014 (CET)

I agree, but the policy currently states that every non-notable player has to be made as Atletico Bizancio/Oscar Iruña. The proposal would be to remove the teamname completely and change this to Oscar Iruña. It would only become Oscar Iruña (id=388375092) when there are at least two different players named Oscar Iruña created on the wiki! --Pelotas (talk) 22:01, 13 November 2014 (CET)

See also this example from Wikipedia: [1], [2] and [3]. For us, the id will always be enough to differ between players, so I propose to take that rather than the birthdate or the nationality. --Pelotas (talk) 22:03, 13 November 2014 (CET)

My view is that the current policy team name/player name is correct & also logical. There's no need to change it. Regarding expected standards of behaviour - that user is clearly in breach, he's been advised mulitiple times he's in breach & has continued to be offensive & confrontational. In my view he should be denied access to the wiki & also reported to the GM's. --Comment from User:Escafeld from the Hattrick forums [4]