Hattrick talk:Player

Proposal: adapt non-notability criteria

Hereby I would like to make a new proposal regarding player notability. The current proposal regarding player notability defines clearly the difference between notable and non-notable players, with notable players being National- and/or U-20-team members or HT Masters top scorers. Basically it seems to me that there is nothing wrong with this classification. However, it is also stated that there are too many players and that not all can enter the wiki, which is probably the reason why for non-notable players, the policy states that non-notable players should only be created as part of a subdirectory, such as Lokomotiv Veltem Back-on-Track/Emin Muhammet Oğulbay instead of Emin Muhammet Oğulbay.

I propose to keep the notability classification, but also to revise this policy to allow ALL players to be created directly without using a subdirectory.
Two downsides: 1) All current non-notable player pages will need to be moved. 2) The risk for having two identically named players increases.

Upsides: 1) It will make editing and specifically linking so much more straightforward! 2) We can get rid of the teamname in the article, it doesn't make sense! 3) The probability of having two identically named players minor and can be resolved easily. My proposal in case of players with the same name: multiple articles will be created, each named ==> firstname lastname (id=playerid) <== and a disambiguation page can be created, such as for instance for Sam Smith on wikipedia.

In short, the proposal is as follows: to allow for all players, notable or not, to have their name as the article page name without the teamname present. Thus Emin Muhammet Oğulbay instead of Lokomotiv Veltem Back-on-Track/Emin Muhammet Oğulbay. In the case that multiple players exist with the exact same name (on the wiki!), the articles will be created with added playerid in the name: Emin Muhammet Oğulbay (id=232603427).

PS: note that this November this wiki turned 9 years. the policies for both Notability and Players have not been adapted since 2009 and have been agreed upon by probably not more than ten users in 2006 or so...

Please state below your comments, thanks! --Pelotas (talk) 21:50, 13 November 2014 (CET)

Status:
Agree (1): Pelotas
Neutral/Unclear (1): Sorlac
Oppose (1): Escafeld

I like that idea,but, what if somebody want a different form, like this one Oscar Iruña (Atletico Bizancio), using the name of the team instead of Atletico Bizancio/Oscar Iruña ?? i like the first one, the name of the team is essencial for the recognition of the players i think, the ID of the player put it in the player info or in the description instead --Sorlac (talk) 21:55, 13 November 2014 (CET)

I agree, but the policy currently states that every non-notable player has to be made as Atletico Bizancio/Oscar Iruña. The proposal would be to remove the teamname completely and change this to Oscar Iruña. It would only become Oscar Iruña (id=388375092) when there are at least two different players named Oscar Iruña created on the wiki! --Pelotas (talk) 22:01, 13 November 2014 (CET)

See also this example from Wikipedia: [1], [2] and [3]. For us, the id will always be enough to differ between players, so I propose to take that rather than the birthdate or the nationality. --Pelotas (talk) 22:03, 13 November 2014 (CET)

My view is that the current policy team name/player name is correct & also logical. There's no need to change it. Regarding expected standards of behaviour - that user is clearly in breach, he's been advised mulitiple times he's in breach & has continued to be offensive & confrontational. In my view he should be denied access to the wiki & also reported to the GM's. --Comment from User:Escafeld from the Hattrick forums [4]

In my opinion it is completely not logical :). Why have a teamname in the player article name? It makes the article name longer, less convenient to find players and makes linking to players cumbersome (redirects all overthe place!). Also, in theory the article name should be changed each time the player is transferred! Moreover, the suggestion to use player (team) (used by Bilke5 and Sorlac) makes sense as it is more clear than team/player, but has the same issues as the current proposal. As such, imho changing to that one is the worst option, after 1) moving to this policy and 2) keeping the current one. --Pelotas (talk) 23:18, 13 November 2014 (CET)

I agree to change the name policy to a easier one, i like the name (team) if you ask me, the ID and other data you can read it in the profile, i will wait the opinion of other people :) --Sorlac (talk) 00:12, 14 November 2014 (CET)

As I said, I am completely against moving from the current teamname/playername to playername (teamname), as this would mean changing all the current player pages for only very little improvement, as the main issue remains. The current policy proposal is to move from teamname/playername to playername. Again, just to clarify, the ID will ONLY be used in case there are two or more players with exactly the same name on the wiki, as we cannot put them in the same article. --Pelotas (talk) 00:20, 14 November 2014 (CET)