HTs on Global/New youth system

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These are the forum messages from HT-Tjecken responding to questions about the new youth system editorial.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.1 as reply to
To: Everyone 11/22/2006 at 09.05
In the editorial section there are (any second) some news about a coming feature (the season after next season): A new youth squad system! Something I think you're going to love, at least I think it contains a lot of fantastic stuff.

So, what do you think - worst implementation ever? ;)

As the new youth squad isn't ready until the season after next we will not be able to answer to all of your questions, especially not about any about small details. For all the details you'll have to wait some more time (about a season).

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.22 as reply to 7391681.7
To: Loyli 11/22/2006 at 09.18

even though i did not get that with the youth squad games, but i guess we will heare more and more until it will actually be implemented


In short, you'll be able to create your own series. Maybe some friends want a series of their own, or collegues or a federation etc. You play a match every week with your youth team in that series (and you'll also be able to choose the time of the match), except for some regular breaks for a friendly match. This to make it possible to meet other ppl/teams sometimes too.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.25 as reply to 7391681.14
To: ZoftWero 11/22/2006 at 09.22

about the league of the youth team. Will this league move WITH the normal team?, or it's going to be an independent team with another rivals and stuff...


The youth team is an independent team which play in a series of its own.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.29 as reply to 7391681.19
To: Wyborowa 11/22/2006 at 09.24

what i mean is when the new system starts, does it look to the rating of the old youtsquad?


Nope.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.32 as reply to 7391681.24
To: Catalyst2950 11/22/2006 at 09.27
First question is already answered and the second question is not a question, but an opinion.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.36 as reply to 7391681.27
To: redberets commandos 11/22/2006 at 09.30

what about the level of the YS? Is it staying the same as we managed to reach up to now or you will reset it, which means that all these money we invested for so long time was for nothing?


Nothing? All these years I think you've promoted a lot of youth players in order to (maybe) win your investment back.

In the new system the level of the YS is unimportant. The only time you might need it again is if you want to go back to the old youth system. We're not definately sure how to handle the level then, but in some way it will be frozen or at least partly frozen (and depending on the number of scouts perhaps?). We'll see.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.38 as reply to 7391681.34
To: roelfoving 11/22/2006 at 09.31

Will there be a transfer-system for these 15 and 16 year old players?


Nope, at least not in the first version.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.39 as reply to 7391681.35
To: Raulinho82 11/22/2006 at 09.32

I think understand that young players will be trained, the type of training is the same of the normal team or will be independent?


Independent.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.52 as reply to 7391681.41
To: Catalyst2950 11/22/2006 at 09.45

2) [blah blah blah] Why the connection?


I think it makes sense that the progress or your normal team also affects the youth squad. It makes sense that youth players are better motivated to work hard for that place in the senior squad if the senior squad performs well. It also means you can't just give up your senior squad and sell it out etc etc. But you got a point, allthough I think the above is more important than that it's definately something to consider too.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.53 as reply to 7391681.43
To: roelfoving 11/22/2006 at 09.46

So, we will have to wait until they are 17 to put them on the regular transferlist?


You'll have to wait until they are a certain age, which most probably will be higher than 17.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.58 as reply to 7391681.51
To: -Redman- 11/22/2006 at 09.51

These coming futures, are they going to change the wage structure of the youth players?


A little bit too detailed to answer on at this moment.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.69 as reply to 7391681.60
To: redberets commandos 11/22/2006 at 09.57

when you will start the new YS, i will have the option to keep the old system?


Yes. It should also be kind of clear if you read the editorial.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.77 as reply to 7391681.61
To: Superjhemp 11/22/2006 at 10.05

Are the youth teams playing in national or international leagues? Can I play in a league with friends from different countries?


As I said, you can create your own series - meaning you can have a series with teams from different countries for example.


Can we see the complete skills of the youth players when they are in the youth team? Or only a rough view over some skills?


I think the edtiorial says what can be said about that for now.

The youth players' skills will not be set in stone, they'll be floating. This means you'll have to explore your players and through match ratings see in which position they play the best. Skills will be more exact the more you train and explore your players, but exactly how good they are will first be known when you promote them to the senior squad. Except from the normal skills, youth players will also have values for potential and character.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.82 as reply to 7391681.65
To: _4mol 11/22/2006 at 10.08

why not move everyone on the new youth squad system ?


Because there are Hattrick users who don't want to put that much more time into Hattrick, and we shouldn't force them.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.83 as reply to 7391681.68
To: beppozh 11/22/2006 at 10.09

If it's correct, would this talent only apply as long as the player are in the youth center, or also when they come out to the A-squad ?


Senior squad players will remain exactly like today. So talent only apply for youth players.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.85 as reply to 7391681.70
To: Freakin 11/22/2006 at 10.10

Will the pricesystem be continued? I mean, will there be an 5000/10000/20000 option?


As the editorial says, you'll pay for each scout you want - so in a way, yes.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.91 as reply to 7391681.71
To: FFF-Shadow 11/22/2006 at 10.12

The way yought players are presented is it with stats like we know from players we see now in our squad or will there be a completly new presentation. If there is a new presentation, can you see imediately wich type of player you pulled and in wich things he is good?


(7391681.77)

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.92 as reply to 7391681.72
To: de coeur 11/22/2006 at 10.12

To Ht-Tjecken, how big will be the wages of the scouts? About the same as all personnel or a lot bigger, like 20k/week each?


Too detailed to answer on.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.98 as reply to 7391681.74
To: Zosete 11/22/2006 at 10.16

Can you alternate between them easily???


Not alternate, but you should be able to change if you like (not every day, or every week - but some time at least). Exactly how that will work is not decided yet though.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.99 as reply to 7391681.75
To: Zoftwero 11/22/2006 at 10.16

Are there any plans of REMOVING the OLD Youth System in a near or medium future?


No.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.103 as reply to 7391681.76
To: Elchaeffo 11/22/2006 at 10.17

could youth players get an injury in the friendly game?


Sure. It's not like teenagers don't hurt themselves or are famous for having a calm temperament. :)

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.111 as reply to 7391681.84
To: _4mol 11/22/2006 at 10.24

so will there be a big U 20 problem because of this ?


Not really, but it will of course affect the U20 teams as there will most likely be fewer players to choose among for one (1) WC. But it's just for one WC, and it should hurt everyone the same way: You get less players to choose from.

The new system will, after that one WC, have players ready to play in the U20 teams.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.133 as reply to 7391681.89
To: Borderliner 11/22/2006 at 10.35

1 Managers can choose (at least in the beginning) if they want to use the new system or the old one.


Yes.


2 If you choose the new one, you are unable to sell your youths for some time


Yes.


3 This will result in a lot less youth players in the market, giving the old system a financial benefit which may be countered as I understand with better chance of better players in new system.
Is that a right assumption?


Pretty much, yes. Most likely there will be less youth players in the game as you probably will not promote a youth player to your senior squad every week. On the other hand, the players you choose to promote will in general be better. And as said in the editorial, players from the new youth system will in general be better as they can get better secondaries.


4 How long will this old system continue?


Indefinately I think.


6 How do you get 11 youth team players if you do not invest in new system (or even if you do)? Or can 17-19 year olds also play?


If you don't use the new system you can still use the old one (or none). If you use the new system you will not be able to use the old one. Until you're able to fill your youth squad (in the new system) with 11 players, you will be able to pick up the "neighbours' kids" or something (ie dummies which will be equally bad).


7 You cannot see the skill of these 15-16 year olds. Until they are promoted. Do you just put them somewhere to see how many stars he gets?


You'll see something, just don't the exact skills and not the way senior players are presentated. Putting them somewhere on the pitch and see how many stars he got is not going to be a bad idea however.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.138 as reply to 7391681.93
To: zwmbakonio 11/22/2006 at 10.36

Are Hattrick capable to support the charge of the matches of youngs?


No, but we'll do it anyway. ;)

Seriously, we will of course make sure we can support these matches and have the necessary servers etc ready.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.143 as reply to 7391681.102
To: miszapatos 11/22/2006 at 10.40
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Ed. note: this appears to be an error by Tjecken, where he links to the post he replies to rather than his previous answer to the question.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.151 as reply to 7391681.141
To: Nomad79 11/22/2006 at 10.51

how many of those "youth matches" will be played in one week?


It will be one youth match each week. Either a match in the series or a friendly.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.154 as reply to 7391681.150
To: Darkhooligan 11/22/2006 at 10.54

could it be, that @ the begin of a new season, there will be 17 year old players, that are higher then excellent.?


No. We will not change the old youth pull system at all, and it's also said in the editorial that players in the new system will not be better in one skill (but may have better secondaries) than a player from the old system.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.167 as reply to 7391681.156
To: emonch 11/22/2006 at 11.02

I am asking if the scouts are going to give me more players to put in the youth squad or to promote from the youth squad to the senior team


Scouts look for youth players who may fit in your youth team.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.183 as reply to 7391681.158
To: Reinier_ 11/22/2006 at 11.08

1. If a club choses to use the new YP-system, scouted players are around 15. They can be promoted at a minimum of 17years old. Does that mean in those 2 years/seasons, u only play the new system, and having each week 1 youthplayer promoted in your youthsquad?


Just to be clear, I've never said how old a youth player in the new system must be in order to be promoted to the senior team. But yes, for some seasons in the beginning you will only play the new system and find youth players for your youth team.


2. Does that also mean, that u cant sell any YP for 2 at least years/seasons? (so you're only paying scouts and paying pulls and not having any YP-income)


For some seasons you'll not be able to sell any youth players, yes.


4. Your A-squad will still be able to play on sundays and wednesdays right?


Yes, of course.

The rest of the questions are either already answered or too detailed to answer on.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.184 as reply to 7391681.161
To: Darkhooligan 11/22/2006 at 11.10

hmm.. I mean the new system..

example: you got a 15 yo player, after 2 seasons he will be 17, could it be, that he's higher in one skill, then u can pull with the old system.?


I actually answered that too in the same post.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.192 as reply to 7391681.164
To: tdjager 11/22/2006 at 11.13

1. In the announcement there is said that if you have a young striker that has reached the cap of his scoring skill you can choose to train him on passing. (I read the dutch version so i hope you understand what i mean)

Does this mean that you can define individual training types for every youngster in the youthsquad?


The points can be distrubated on different stuff, including individual stuff. Normal traning can not.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.195 as reply to 7391681.165
To: Riisx 11/22/2006 at 11.15

Or - how important will be a match in the series?


Depends on how much you want to win the series and beat your friends... For training of youth players there's no difference.

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By: HT-Tjecken 7391681.198 as reply to 7391681.168
To: rrking 11/22/2006 at 11.16

it seams that by using new system manager will always have a 17yp, does it mean that something is going to be changed in old yp system?


False. I think you better read the thread again.

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● the growth of the youngsters will depend only the type of training and talent, or there will be other factors as well(position in that week match)?


The position in that week's game will matter, as always.


● Will the result of the youth matches affect in any way the club finances(like income from tickets)?


I'm not that sure fathers and mothers pay anything to watch their kids play. :)


● Will the team spirit of the senior squad affect the midfield of the youth squad?


No.


● Will the youth players have a salary that is going to be paid?


Not sure yet. But if they do, I guess we will cover that cost with income from selling soda and homebaked cakes. :)


● If you have some scouts, and they present each of them one player/week from which you are able to accept only one player, what will you know about the presented players?(except name:D)


They will provide you some basic info so you'll be able to make a decision.


● So I understand you correctly if you say that the new youthpull system will not producce 17yo?


Post 53 says you'll only be able to promote youth players who've reached a certain age, which most probably will be higher than 17. It says it all imho.


● will there be a diffrent between III and VII youth players?


No, that wouldn't be fair.


● (for ex: if I promote to A-Team a player with solid scoring (the max reachable as a youngster) can I train him on scoring??


Yes.


●You either choose the new system or the old system. You can't mix them.


●You will not be able to promote someone before a certain (set) age, and not after another certain (set) age.


●Ok, here we go with the 17 year olds again. I repeat this again: It's not been said that you will (or will not) be able to promote 17 year olds. Apart from that, I think the market will take care of your concern itself. If all ppl will promote youths the first week, then the prices will fall and you'll get less paid. Moreover, you'll still be able to train the youth player in your youth squad after the first week. And finally, you'll not promote a youth player to the senior team every week.