User talk:Mikkel

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Hello Mikkel,

Please stop with your editing.

You have no authority to decide by yourself which articles are relevent and which aren't.

If you wish to raise the subject you can propose a policy, for now all you are doing is destroying other people's work. --GiggsipUser:Giggsip| 17:22, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

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You ought to read the main page, Giggsip. Please stop creating articles that aren't relevant to Hattrick.

mikkel 17:33, December 4, 2005 (UTC)

Actually I read the main page and there isn't currently a single article you vandalized that isn't related to Hattrick in some way.

You vandalized articles about regions in Israel which are legit regions in Hattrick, you can see a list of them here:Hattrick Israeli Regions.

You also vandalized the 3 articles about common Israeli names for teams that appear here for all countries: Team_names and are used in Hattrick as default prefixes for new teams created.

Actually the only thing in common for all the articles you vandalized is that they are all related to Israel! --Giggsip 17:49, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Could the fact that the irrelevant articles that I have removed have all been about Israel be contributed to the fact that you make it your mission, according to your userpage, to add precisely that, and that all the articles I've edited have been in the "Recent Changes" section? Of course you wouldn't consider that, when you could take the easy route, hiding behind your religion, and accuse me of anti-semitism. That really is pathetic.

Let's take a look at the articles I've "vandalised".

Hapoel:

"Hapo'el Hatza'ir -(Hah-Poh-Ehl Hah-Tzah-Yeehr hebrew הפועל הצעיר) The Young Worker Labor Party, founded 1905 by pioneers of Second Aliyah, stressing Jewish labor as Zionist value ( Kibbush Ha'avoda) . First Jewish workers' party founded in Israel, whose members helped found the first kibbutz at Beit Alpha. Led by Aaron David Gordon."

While I'm sure that The Young Worker Labor Party fully indorse Hattrick, and that the first Kibbutz at Beit Alpha was really a Hattrick meet orchestrated by Aaron David Gordon who had a team in III.3, I really do not see how that has -anything- to do with Hattrick in any way. Whatsoever.

Maccabi:

"The word Maccabi (Mah-Kah-Beeh Hebrew: מכבי) used to refer to one of the Maccabees, whose story has become synonymous with courage, success and victory. Nowadays, several Israeli and Jewish organizations carry this name, such as sport associations, Medical centers and so on.

Maccabi is an abbreviation, it stands for: "Meeh Kahmokha Bahehleem Yidod" (Hebrew: מי כמוך באלים השם) and its meaning is: "Is there any god but you".

Famous clubs from Israel that use this title are: Maccabi Haifa Maccabi Tel Aviv Maccabi Petakh Tikva Maccabi Netanya"

Unless religion is a new aspect of Hattrick, I don't see how the story of the Maccabees have any influence on my team, or how the saying "Meeh Kahmokha Bahehleem Yidod" affects my weekly training, this still has no relevance.

Jerusalem:

"Jerusalem (31°46′N 35°14′E; Hebrew: יְרוּשָׁלַיִם (?); Yeh-Rooh-Shah-Lah-Yeehm; Arabic: القُدس ▶(?) al-Quds; official Israeli Arabic: أُورْشَلِيم Urshalim; see also names of Jerusalem) is an ancient Middle Eastern city of key importance to the religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The State of Israel has its capital at Jerusalem, although its right to do so is disputed.

With a population of 704,900 (as of December 31, 2004 [1]), it is a richly heterogeneous city, representing a wide range of national, religious, and socioeconomic groups. The section called the "Old City" is surrounded by walls and consists of four quarters: Jewish, Christian, Armenian, and Muslim.

The status of the city is hotly disputed. The 1949 cease-fire line between Israel and Jordan, also known as the Green Line, cuts through the city. Since its victory in the 1967 Six-Day War, Israel has controlled the entire city and claims sovereignty over it. According to an Israeli law from January 1950 Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. A Basic Law of Israel enacted in 1980 (the Jerusalem Law) affirmed that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, and is the center of Jerusalem District; indeed, since 1950, it serves as the country's seat of government and its capital. The UN Security Council Resolution 478 condemned the Jerusalem Law as "a violation of international law"."

The only thing in this article that has even the slightest bit of relevance is the bit with the coordinates. This Wiki is about -Hattrick-, and while a short statistical summary of the regions within the game is acceptable, albeit somewhat unnecessary, a full historical, political and religious summary is completely irrelevant and unneeded. Precisely the same information is available in vast detail on Wikipedia, so instead of reciting it here, add a link to the Wikipedia article, as it has been done with Jerusalem.

Please stop making irrelevant additions to articles. Wikis all have their individual purposes, and it makes no sense to clutter one with irrelevant information. Especially not when that information is available on Wikipedia. This is about Hattrick, so keep it about Hattrick.

mikkel 18:09, December 4, 2005 (UTC)

It's not exactly right place do discuss about it (remove it if you want it, Mikael). My advice is - rebuild all Israeli region pages similary like I made on Jerusalem and Beer Sheeva. This way pages will serve the main purpose - information about Hattrick and visitors will be able to follow Wikipedia.oprg link to know more about those regions.--LA-Motto 18:27:10, 2005-12-04 (UTC)


While I don't mind remaking articles to fit the purpose of a Wiki, I feel that articles regarding geographical locations should be written by people residing there, providing that they adhere to the Wiki and it's purpose. I did not intend to correct the articles, as I'm sure that other people can do a better job at that than me, but rather stop more from being made, and make it clear from the beginning that this Wiki isn't for religious, historical or political articles.

mikkel 18:45, December 4, 2005 (UTC)

Actually if you actually checked what I added to this wikipedia, the actual editions and not just the articles in which I participated, you'll see that I didn't add any of that information.

Also you only posted part of the articles you removed. For example with Jerusalem you decided that the whole article should be destroyed even though it contained an infobox about the region. Forgot to mention that in your reply?

It is pretty clear you took on some crazy erasing crusade upon yourself and just destroyed anything in sight, not even bothering to really read what is written there. If you want to contribute then edit wisely, with emphasis on adding and not just removing anything and everything like User:LA-Motto did on Jerusalem and Beer Sheva. And as a start I expect you to restore/re-edit all the articles you already ruined.

And my goal was to add Hattrick related information, as you can actually see from all my edits on all the pages...I worked alot on categories and organization of the information in a comfortable way. --Giggsip 18:30, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh I read the articles, so that's a rather stupid thing to say. Just for your information, this is a "Wiki", not a "Wikipedia". "Wikipedia" is a site built on the WikiMedia software, meant as a free encyclopedia, while this is a site built on the WikiMedia software meant for Hattrick related articles.

I posted all of the articles I removed. I copypasted everything from the history page from before I removed the article, so these accusations are just pathetic, really.

It's pretty clear that you're just angered by being wrong. I removed articles of political, religious and historical nature, as this Wiki is intended solely for Hattrick, and all things relevant. I felt no need to edit them, as two of the three articles I deleted had nothing worth saving, and the third nothing more than what could easily be salvaged by looking at the historical pages. I do not intend to re-edit any of the articles, as LA-Motto beat me to it in the single article that had anything worth saving.

Please don't waste my time any more with this immaturity, Giggsip.

mikkel 18:45, December 4, 2005 (UTC)

You can put it any way you want, for now all you did is damage, nothing more. You helped no one basically just ruining work that will have to be restored by others.

Do everyone a favor and just go away, create your own empty happy little wiki and party on.

You keep trying to insult my intelligence by stating that I'm immature or rambeling or explain to me like to a little kid what wiki means(just because I wrote once wikipedia instead of wiki) and so on, but the fact is you haven't found a single edit of mine that wasn't relevant.

I really don't have any desire to argue with you anymore. You are not an administrator in here and so you have no right to decide on your own to delete any page you want. Please just keep your paws away from us, we don't need or want you around.

That is all, goodbye and good luck in your life, hope not to bump into you again. --Giggsip 19:29, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Amusingly, -you- talk like you're an administrator. You keep saying that all I did was damage, yet you fail to point out any relevant information that I deleted. All you're doing now is spamming, and I'm sure all of us would like to see that stop.

I'll delete any page that isn't meant for this Wiki, and if you have a problem with that, then this Wiki isn't for you. Please just stop trying to defend material not suited for this place. We don't need or want it around, and we don't need or want -you- around if that's all you do.

Just go away, Giggsip, if all you can do is argue like a 8 year old who just had his lollipop taken away. It's simple really. If people adhere to the rules and purposes of this Wiki, their material stays, and you have yet to point out, despite having had ample opportunity, exactly which parts of the things I edited out were relevant. All you're doing is posting the same things over and over, not really getting anywhere. As I have asked before, point out when I have edited anything useful out, and I'll be happy to talk to you again, but for now, all you're doing is spamming, and we don't want that here.

mikkel 19:35, December 4, 2005 (UTC)

You keep saying that all I did was damage, yet you fail to point out any relevant information that I deleted.

You have deleted the whole content of the pages (also the infoboxes and the category links). Next time just remove the invalid data or use the talk page first!

We don't need or want it around, and we don't need or want -you- around if that's all you do.

are you a schizophreniac or do you think you can talk for everybody here? --Shyrlden 20:35, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

As I said previously, Shyldren, neither the Maccabi nor the Hapoel pages had infoboxes or category links, so we can gather from this that you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about, and just out to spam my userpage because you're unhappy with me deleting text that had no place here. If you don't like it; leave. Also, since the entire content of the Jerusalem had been removed, and essentially called for a complete rework, there is no reason for the infobox to stay.

As for the questions regarding schizophrenia, (by which I assume you mean 'MPD') no, I do not suffer from this, I am merely responding in kind to Giggsip, so if anything, you should be asking -him- if he can talk for everybody here. I guess you're on his "team", though, and that makes your comment, well, laughably counter-productive.

Please stop spamming my userpage, and start accepting that what I deleted had no place here.

mikkel 20:42, December 4, 2005 (UTC)


what I deleted had no place here Are you saying that it was cheating information? At my knowledge it's the only content forbidden here. --carlesmu 20:53, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

There is a difference between things having no place, and things being forbidden.

This Wiki is for Hattrick, and Hattrick related articles, meaning that if an article isn't related to Hattrick, such as a political, historical or religious article, which the Jerusalem, Hapoel, Maccabi, Beitar and Ashdod articles were, then they have no place here, and should therefore be deleted to avoid cluttering and deviations from the intended purpose of the Wiki, which is to create a knowledgebase of things Hattrick.

mikkel 20:57, December 4, 2005 (UTC)

I strongly dissagry. It should be discused before deletion. --carlesmu 21:08, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree that articles need to be discussed before deletion, but only if there's something to discuss. There was absolutely nothing to discuss in these cases, as they were purely religious, historical or political, thus having no reason to exist, no matter how much you debate.

mikkel 21:18, December 4, 2005 (UTC)

A member of the ht-wiki community made an effort to write them and, at my understanding, he thought they were valuable for the comunity. Please, avoid to be disrespectul with the others ht-wiki members if he wrote them then there is something to discuss.

--carlesmu 12:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Carlesmu, but that's just not how things work. There is nothing to discuss. Ignorance does not magically make those articles relevant, so there really is nothing to discuss. I can see you've all tried, but all your points have been moot or invalid.

Disrespect is not reading what the purpose of the place is before using it, so if anything, ignorance or not, they're the ones being disrespectful. It's getting really old having to reply to this, because no matter how much all of you people complain, it doesn't change the facts that the articles didn't belong here in any way, and that no work was lost for anyone.

I can't believe that all of you people would go through the effort of spamming my user page -this- much, just looking to justify articles that don't even belong here. If you don't like it, you can go add to Wikipedia instead. I'm sure they'll love it.

mikkel 16:31, December 5, 2005 (UTC)